Washington State Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by guns_equal_freedom, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. Ned1

    Ned1 Lend Me Yu Choppa

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    Totally agree.

    It's funny how the MTB guys have hopped into bed with the WTA devil, though.
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  2. DireWolf

    DireWolf Knees in the Breeze

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    You have some fantastic posts in this thread.

    Well said.

    Not so much.
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  3. shrubitup

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    Yay! Somebody you agree with. :clap

    So what's the plan for fixin' there boss? Just keep's a tellin' us how's dumbs we is? :lol3
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  4. WSobchak

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    I think that's generally right, maybe a bit over simplified, but pretty close to the truth. The eviro crowd is very well organized and passionate. Also doesn't hurt to have the middle/upper class and rich on your side what with their disposable income and not.

    The fix? Don't know that there is one, not in the Peoples Republic of Washington anyway. :deal
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  5. tod701

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    The corporate support they get allows them to have paid staff.
    That makes a big difference in what you can accomplish on a day to day basis.
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  6. tod701

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    New question starts today



    Current Question -Help us explain the following trend,

    New research shows that for adults (18 and over) in Washington, between 2006 and 2012,

    • Nature-based recreation activities, such as backpacking, primitive camping, showshoeing, horseback riding, and climbing generally are increasing while

    • Activities that depend on built facilities, such as soccer, baseball, rollerblading, football, and boat camping generally are decreasing.

    What do you think the reasons are?



    http://scorpwa.wordpress.com/comments/
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  7. HH

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  8. guns_equal_freedom

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    Getting high and drunk to walk around the forest requires no special skill set. :lol3
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  10. tod701

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    Was at the WTA office today.

    They a have 20 staff members in their downtown Seattle office.

    Paid NMA staff + paid WOHVA staff = Total paid ORV advocates is Washington State ZERO.
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  11. MasterChief

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    Who are their corporate sponsors?


    Why don't we have them?


    What about KTM, BMW, Yamaha, Polaris, Klim, Moose, Chysler (Jeep), etc?
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  12. tod701

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    I could guess, but i don't know off the top of my head.

    They might give a clue here:

    http://www.wta.org/


    Because the salesman type that ride haven't stepped up and worked it and guys like me suck at that skill set.
    It is a big issue and both the NMA and WOHVA would welcome help.
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  13. kwisn

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    I wish I was that guy. We need a couple. I try to get revved up to do something and end up writing a few e-mails and having a few conversations to further our pursuit. You would think that some of the hard chargers and driven set in this industry would see this as an opportunity to expand and protect their future investment. The major manufacturers and accessory biz people should be all over this. It would insure both of our futures.
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  14. kwisn

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    Does too! The weak fall coming down the hill and only the strong survive. :freaky :gdog
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  15. WetSideRider

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    A quick look at the financials sez WTA pulls in about $2M a year. They spend about $300K on outreach, including a full time lobbyist at $55K and a full time fund raiser at about $70K.

    The bulk of their cash comes from donations and grants. I'll guess about $500K is individual donations. About $350K is membership fees, and the rest is grants, I suppose. Interestingly, they get about $300K from trail maintenance, using young, energetic outdoor folks to manage volunteer trail maintenance contracts for various entities. Their outgo for trail maintenance exceeds their income, however. The rest (let's say $800K) comes from grants and corporate donations chased by the fund raiser. Not a bad return on a $70K investment.

    I personally don't think the WTA model would work for motorsports. How many young adults would dedicate a couple of years of their lives to manage motorized trail projects in Washington at minimum wage?

    Our hobby is too expensive, so no dedicated young racer is going to take a job building trails at the expense of keeping a competition machine in working order. I know a couple of college educated kids personally who do work for peanuts and sleep on the ground to maintain trails for contractors other than WTA. They don't even own cars, let alone expensive motorized toys. Different mindset.
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  16. shrubitup

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    Suggest 100 - old (40+) guys volunteer 16 actual hours per year of trail work. 1600 hours seems like it could get attention. Rounding up 100 dirt bikers is a tough thing to do unless it`s the Desert 100 race. I log more than that each year to ride my secret squirell trails and would move that to the Interstate 5 of trail areas (Taneum, GPNF) if I could count on 99 other volunteers. :norton
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    :up This is awesome...
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  18. tod701

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    NEW QUESTION
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    Dear Friend of Outdoor Recreation,

    Thanks for your past contributions to our discussion on the Town Hall website. We have posted a new question where we would like your thoughts—this time about wetlands and recreation.

    Do you visit wetlands for recreation and why are they important to you? What role should wetlands play in enhancing outdoor recreation?
    That’s the fourth set of questions the Washington State Recreation and Conservation Office (RCO) is asking people as it looks to revise the state’s strategic plan for outdoor recreation. We’d like your thoughts.

    You can respond by visiting our Recreation Town Hall Web site at (www.scorpwa.wordpress.com) where you can quickly share your views.

    Also, please tell your friends and help us spread the word.

    The state’s outdoor recreation strategic plan, called the State Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan (SCORP), needs to be updated every 5 years to maintain our ability to receive federal funding from the Land and Water Conservation Fund. RCO uses these federal dollars for grants to local communities to build parks and trails, and conserve wildlife habitat. The SCORP addresses the future recreation needs of our residents and helps guide decisions about what projects to fund.

    Your input is crucial to understanding what’s important to include in the plan.

    Thanks for your help in planning for the future of outdoor recreation in Washington!

    ___________________
    Michael Fraidenburg, Town Hall Moderator
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  19. guns_equal_freedom

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    My brother-in law owned property on Whidbey Island.

    His neighbor built a diversion berm to keep the water from running down the hill and into his barn.

    That water was now going into the pasture of my BIL's property.

    Island County and the state were doing wetland surveys and declared that his pasture was now protected wetland.

    He fought them for over three years with no positive results.

    That summer the road crew stopped at his property and started digging in his pasture.

    When he asked them what was going on they told him that when the contractor had raised the roadbed they had burried the drain pipe.

    They uncovered the drain, fixed the pipe and cleared out the drainage lagoon.

    Within a couple of weeks the pasture was dry.

    The state and county refused to reclassify my BIL's property so he sold it and moved.
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  20. guns_equal_freedom

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