We need a Zuma 250, or Ruckus 250!

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by BigCanoe, Oct 22, 2012.

  1. BigCanoe

    BigCanoe Been here awhile

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    I love the styling of these two scooters, but they are just a little too small for a primary bike (for me). Wouldn't they scale up nicely in size to a 250 or so?
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  2. wannabe1

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    I fully agree. I know they are plenty of midsize options from Kymco, Aprilia, Vespa, etc, but I could really dig a Zuma 250 or ruck.
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  3. BigCanoe

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    Oh ya, I forgot about that! Wonder why they dropped it?
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  4. Brooktown Geezer

    Brooktown Geezer scooter guy

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    Because they really didn't sell well.
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  5. nicholastanguma

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    The Ruckus 50 is a brilliant piece of minimalist design study. They're my favorite scooter because they don't look like a scooter at all--this is exactly what admirers of the Ruckus usually say attracts them. Even Harley pirates will stop to admire a Ruckus.

    The Ruckus 250 was a flop because it's just fugly. Acres of plastic. Ponderous profile. It has none of its little brother's charming simplicity.

    If Honda gave us a 250cc Ruck that still looked like a proper 50cc Ruck I'd buy several of 'em.
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  6. tastroman

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    Or even CT 250.
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  7. JerryH

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    I have a Zuma 125. It will go anywhere but the freeway. I have already put over 1000 miles on it riding around the local backroads in the month since I got it. A 250 would be nice, but I don't want to even thing about what it would cost. I believe the Big Ruckus and Reflex were failures mostly because of the price. Same with the Helix, which I really liked. They brought it back, old design, tooling and R&D already paid for, and priced it like a small car. Honda just doesn't seem to get it with the price thing. They have quality, but they are not a prestige brand, and they can't base their prices on that like Vespa, Ducati, Aprilia, Harley, BMW, etc. Honda has better quality than most of those brands, but they don't have the status or desirability factor, and that makes a big difference.
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  8. BigCanoe

    BigCanoe Been here awhile

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    Ya, I still want a Zuma, even if its only a 125 :)
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  9. JerryH

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    I've only had it a month and 1000 miles, but I can highly recommend the Zuma 125. Only issue I have with it, and that is only cosmetic, it that HUGE, UGLY rear fender. It is completely unnecessary, there is a much smaller rear fender under it, and Yamaha went out of their way to make it difficult to remove. It holds several other things in place. I will eventually cut most of mine off. The Zuma 125 will hold 55 mph on a flat road. I had mine on the freeway for about 5 miles, I was more afraid of cops than getting run over, as it is not freeway legal.
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  10. nicholastanguma

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    Absolutely true.
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  11. bbishoppcm

    bbishoppcm It ain't a moped.

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    In a jam, you can turn a Helix into a pretty cool "mad max" machine. Strip the body off, paint the frame, throw on a tractor seat...
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  12. max57

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    Regarding the engines, Honda has impressive quality. But when it comes to pieces breaking off, and the ordeal of working on Honda scooters, Honda's attitude toward long term ownership becomes clear. Hondas, through pain and suffering, can be made to last a very long time. But that is not Honda's intent. They make their scooters to be driven for several years and scrapped. The beauty of the other brands mentioned above is that they are made to last a lifetime, and to be a rich experience to work on. Hardware that comes apart without breaking or sawing, details that hold up for many years, removable wheels, road holding suspensions. I have been driving the same European scooter for 40 years, and the quality is remarkable. I also have the first Honda Elite, the 1984 125, and as impressive as it is on its strong points, there is a lot of heavy wire holding it together now.:rofl:rofl:freaky:rofl
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    bbishoppcm It ain't a moped.

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    I agree, Honda has overpriced their machines for too long; the Helix was last MSRP'd at over $5,000! Granted, they can and WILL last for 20+ years, that's just an insane amount of cash to drop on a small bike. I actually considered buying a new PCX150, until I saw the OTD price... screw that, I could buy three used Helixes for that much!
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  14. Warney

    Warney Been here awhile

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    Are you high?
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  15. max57

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    Just high on emoticons.:eek1
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    Gee, Max; my experience of Honda is completely different from yours. My first was a 1964 Sport Cub C110; my most recent an '06 VT750. There have been many Honda scoots and light bikes in between, and I couldn't disagree more about Honda having a "throw-away" design strategy.

    Your 40 year-old euro-scoot is a gem; like earlier Vespas, designed for ease of maintenance and repair, but such things are not made anymore. Modern Italian machines are sold on the cachet of "boutique" appeal, are complex, not particularly easy to work on, and nowhere near the value for the money as were earlier generations which were designed for economy of use and maintainability. That's only one of the reasons why Piaggio/Vespa have been soundly outstripped in market share by Honda, and soundly beaten thus in Italy, the strongest scooter market in Europe.
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  17. max57

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    I had 3 different Hondas in the 1960s, and they were well made. The 84 Elite is well made for the most part. But it is nasty to work on. I think Japanese carmakers and motorcycle makers alike think machines should be scrapped and replaced by new models instead of repeatedly repaired or rebuilt to serve into old age. Parts are very expensive and often not made any more for old models. You are probably right about the new Vespas, I am not familiar with them. By the way I don't have a Vespa, I have a Heinkel, and it is 52 years old.

    http://www.heinkeltourist.com/Images/Stories/heinkelfest1991/HFest1991_14.jpg
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  18. redhandmoto

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    Oh, i know, i know...and I reeeaallly want it! :evil
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  19. max57

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    I guess I better get used to the fact that it's the 21st century.:norton
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