Wee-strom vs new F650GS for an ex-SVS'er

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by Wozzer, Apr 25, 2008.

  1. Wozzer

    Wozzer Been here awhile

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    Just sold my SV650S, I liked it but the ergos absolutely killed me. Tried out a KLR for 30 mins, adored the upright position and the wind protection compared to the SV. I was very comfortable except for the bars being a little high (I have long arms, so they would have been more comfy a little lower).

    Now I'm deciding between a wee-strom or a new F650GS (the twin), any thoughts? Mostly on-road (80% at least) with occasional off-road excursions, comfort is king for me...
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  2. amk

    amk Been here awhile

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    get a car
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  3. Wozzer

    Wozzer Been here awhile

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    I tried that but I couldn't figure out how to lean it.
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  4. blackie

    blackie Still Hibernating

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    get a goldwing, its a car with 2 wheels that can lean ..... :evil

    seriously tho, wait for the 650GS twin, it's worth it, mine is just around the corner and I went thru a similar decision process as yours
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  5. mcftw

    mcftw hxc n33b

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    +1
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  6. pfb

    pfb Riding, not skiing.

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    I've had almost every flavor of GS that BMW has ever made, and even a G650X. I just picked up a VStrom and I gotta say, for use as 90% road bike, I'm impressed.

    I'd give an inexpensive, used V a try before dishing out big bucks for a Beemer.

    Of course I can't hear BMW now without hearing "You did what? A fucking GS?... I'm really fucked now"

    Now if you really want to ride it off road, leave them both behind and get a KTM:D
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  7. Wozzer

    Wozzer Been here awhile

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    I think I'll take y'alls advice, try out a used wee, use it for the next few months and when the bmw 650/800 twins are here, give those a go and possibly switch.
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  8. K1W1

    K1W1 Long timer

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    You are contemplating buying a grossly overpriced first year BMW against a proven, reliable, inexpensive Wee?
    Good luck, at least your bank manager will put you on his Christmas card list.
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  9. garandman

    garandman Wandering Minstrel

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    This seems like a very logical approach. Most SV owners love that engine, so they love the Strom....
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  10. McB

    McB Joe 40 ouncer

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    I went from an SVs to a DL, for the same reasons. There are plenty of used ones available now. $4-5k will get you a nice one. You could buy one now, try it for a few months or a year, and move on to the BMW if you're still interested when there's more info to base that decision on (as in, reviews, recalls, shorter lines at the dealers, test rides.......)
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  11. xrmattaz

    xrmattaz sputum is my bread/butter

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    I have an SV650S (with standard bar conversion) as well as a DL1000.

    Get the Wee!
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  12. spawnx66

    spawnx66 Been here awhile

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  13. Kawidad

    Kawidad Long timer

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    I went from an SV650 standard to a DL650 for similar reasons, but honestly I was disappointed in the motor. Having Suzuki detune the motor for more mid-range, but by raising the weight of the bike by about 60 lbs and dropping the output by almost 10 HP lost something in the translation for me.

    For me the vee is closer in personality to the original SV platform.
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  14. squish

    squish Out of the office.

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    For the price of one BMW
    You can have two used DL650 with money left over to nuckfugget it up.

    AND you won't get to a first name basis with the service writer of your local BEEMERBIMMERMINI palace.

    Functionally the DL650 is a fantastic transparent image-less motorcycle.


    However motorcycling is not just about the bike
    For lots and lots of folks it's also about the image.
    For some it's only about the image...

    If you need the image then get the Beemer. You might get function,
    once and a while... when it's out of the shop.
    If you need the function get the Suzuki however you will never, ever get any image.
    Save for the image of a computer nerd with his glasses held together with tape
    and a pocket protector for his mechanical pencils.


    Me I got both a DL and an airhead BMW.
    I get image and I get function.
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  15. Wozzer

    Wozzer Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the tips, very helpful - is it generally agreed that bmw motorcycles are not as reliable as the japanese manufacturers, or is it just the high cost of service?

    I don't want to buy any bike that I haven't been able to test ride for at least 30 mins, I don't think any BMW dealership is going to be giving me a test ride on the brand new F650/800GS twins anytime soon, so a used Wee seems to be the way to go. I know the F800GS isn't out till fall, but is the F650GS twin even available in the US yet?

    I appreciate the BMW's styling and the brand image, but it's not high on my priority list for this purchase.
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  16. D-Mac

    D-Mac Been here awhile

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    You won't find much agreement on the quality of BMWs around here (and obviously no one knows how reliable the new 650/800s will be yet), but it's generally agreed on that the Wee is an excellent bike in terms of reliability. Either bike can be much cheaper if you do your own work (oil changes, removing wheels before getting tire put on, checking your own valves, etc.) and I'd strongly encourage you to learn how to do this stuff. The more you know your bike, the better.

    In terms of test rides, pretty much every BMW dealer I've been to will let you test ride bikes (of course, you'll have to wait until they get a 650/800GS in stock to ride one...650s are expected in June/July last I heard).

    I'm going through a similar process that you are. I've ridden a Wee (ironically, at a BMW dealer who had a used one since Suzuki rarely allows test rides). As others have said, it seems to be a good bike. Since I'm pretty happy with my current bike, I'm holding out for the new BMW and others (e.g., Triumph's Tiger Cub might be coming out this Fall too) before making my decision. You can't go wrong with a Wee IMO.

    Happy hunting.
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  17. squish

    squish Out of the office.

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    People think BMW are as reliable as stones.
    People think German Engineering is really good.

    Me I don't. Yet I still like them.
    However I'm now partial to airheads rather then the new BMW's
    The good news is that you can get parts for BMW from BMW for a long time after they stop making your bike
    The bad news. You will pay for that with more expensive parts cost.
    Shop costs also tend to be higher per hour and the flat rates seem to be for longer times as well.

    As for maintainence here's something to think about.
    My personal ride is an 04 DL650
    13,000 miles and the only issue I have is that there is a tiny amount of rust on the bike.
    That's it. I'm still on the first chain even with plenty of life left in it.


    I care for the following bikes.
    HP2, K1200Rsport, Xmoto.
    All of these bikes have less then 5000 miles on them.
    All of these bikes have been at the dealer for needed services outside of "normal" serivces like oil changes and the like.

    Some of the bikes (the HP2 especially) gets the most miles put on it
    going to the dealer. it's been there at least 4 times and not once was it for a normal service.
    There was a brake fault, two recall repairs and a cracked exhaust pipe

    all of this happened with less then 2000 miles on the bike.

    as it's often said.
    Your mileage may vary.
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  18. 805gregg

    805gregg Long timer

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    Weird the BMW website states the 650's displacement as 798?
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  19. spawnx66

    spawnx66 Been here awhile

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    You are right the motor is 798cc twin rather than 650cc single. It was poor marketing and branding by BMW in my opinion. They wanted to differentiate the F800GS and this F650GS model by having 2 different names. Both are the same motor with the F650GS version slightly detuned.
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  20. robobiker

    robobiker NewRoundHere

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    Bit of a myopic view there amk. No doubt made to provoke so I'm catching your bate ;)

    Why bikes HAVE to be uncomfortable to be valid is beyond me. Personally I think most bikers who ride sports bikes on the road are either very young, or desperate to excude an image or they are lying about their back ache, wrist ache and excruciating pain in their knee joints.

    Why punish yourself for the sake of being on two wheels. No-one expects, or desires a hermitically sealed, plush ride, but there IS a middle way.
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