What am I doing wrong??

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by ItalianRider, Nov 19, 2012.

  1. Two Wheeled 'Tard

    Two Wheeled 'Tard Banned

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    Perhaps a better rider could compensate for the low-rate suspension on the F700, but after having spent time on a bike with good suspension, it's not much fun trying to adapt to something worse.

    If at all possible, you might want to consider upgrading the front suspension (as well as sorting out the stalling problem :) ). Some proper springs for your weight and Racetech cartridge emulators will make a WORLD of difference with how much feel you get of the front end through the handlebars, and they're relatively inexpensive. I think you can usually get them as a package for around $300.

    I checked Racetech's site and they don't list the F700 but it probably shares forks with the F650 or F800, so you should still be able to get stuff for it.

    Now as for upgrading the rear end, there's not many things you can do there that don't involve spending at least a thousand bucks :\

    *edit* Not sure what rubber you're running, but something more specialized would probably help a great deal as well. Maybe a pure street tire if you're not taking it off road. They'll have a rounder profile and will probably feel much more familiar to you.
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  2. atomicalex

    atomicalex silly aluminum boxes

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    The stalling issue is you. Sorry.

    I had a similar issue when I switched bikes during my training (in Germany) - I went from a rev-happy 250cc Kawi with a 12K redline to an F650 twin (previous of yours). I wanted to kill that bike - I must have stalled it ten times in the first session.

    The parallel twins are not happy at the low end. They are not fast at the top end. The powerband is not a mile wide. You are going to have to get used to being on the throttle and feathering the clutch. It's just a very different motor and it does different things.

    It's ok if you don't like it. There are lots of other bikes out there to ride!
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  3. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    Since this got absolutely no traction the first time around, I'll try it again.

    Then I'll be done. :lol3
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  4. Treedguy

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    Please allow myself to quote...............myself.
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  5. concours

    concours WFO for 41 years

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    Get a dual sport bike and ride it on sand, gravel, wet grass, etc.
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  6. Bar None

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    ItalianRider,
    I might have missed it but I didn't see a response from you to foxtrapper's suggestion especially the first and third part.
    Those two make a lot of sense to me. I don't think that you need a lot of improvement, just some fine tuning.
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  7. ogklx400

    ogklx400 Been here awhile

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    maybe it is also the super wimpy 1st gear wasnt ment for you get the triple speed option 1st gear
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  8. CanadaBiker

    CanadaBiker Been here awhile

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    When I first got my new-to-me 09 650 twin, I felt the handling was very difficult in the corners. The battle wings were pretty worn, flat in the centre, but still lots of tread left. I didn't believe this was the issue. I was wrong.

    I put new Tourance EXPs on, and my god, the bike now eats the corners. It's like I have a new bike. Way more fun in the corners, rips right through. With the BWs, the bike felt like it wanted to stay fully upright and ride off the corner. I had to fight to get the bike over. I guess that flat centre was the issue.

    Only other issue, is the gear change from 3rd to 2nd coming into a slow tight 90 degree turn on the back roads. If I go in fast and downshift to 2nd, the speed change from 3rd is so much, it chatters my back end pretty hard. The tire breaks a little bit, and hops over. I think it's just that I'm hitting the perfect (or not so perfect) rpm & gearing rations coming in. It happens a lot. Maybe too much space between 2nd & 3rd?

    Anyway, I love how my 650 twin handles. KOW KOW KOW
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  9. catweasel67

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    Having read the OPs posts and his replies I'm leaning back towards mechanical.

    Are you 100% sure the bike is fine? The tyres aren't squared off? Are they on the right way round? The suspension isn't fucked? the steering damper (if it has one) buggered?

    Maybe reset the suspension to factory defaults? Maybe whoever set it was a fat bastard?

    Whack it up on the centre stand and test the wheel bearings? Alignment?

    Google "motorbike handling issues" and work through the basics.

    I find it hard to believe it's you. Not to that extent. Sure bikes are different but only so far. Some are faster, some stop better, some turn in sweeter but at the end of the day, with a few notable exceptions, a bike's a bike until you start riding it in the upper quartiles and it sounds like you're not doing that.
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  10. Aussijussi

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    I will still say, don't blame the bike. I went for a couple of hours ride yesterday, being unusually warm, 9 celsius, for this time of the year, i already had the bike put away for winter, a month ago. Anyway, an hour into my ride, i stopped for a leak, and left the bike running, on the side of the road, climbed back on, i've got 990 adv, which is fairly high. Put in gear, clutch out, stalled the bastard! Nearly toppled the fucking thing, as i was on sloping ground. Just one of those things, happends to all of us every now and then, it doesn't mean there is something wrong with the motorcycle though!
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  11. terraunbound

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    Lots of good advice and thoughts here. +1 to your acknowledging that a less powerful but different bike has a learning curve. Since I too have moved to the F700 maybe I can give a little perspective- although I'm arriving from a thumper F650 and 200 cc Scooter not a tuned fast street bike.

    About preload set up: just for completeness sake, reset the preload to factory specs (look in the manual... I believe they have you turn the preload to completely hard then back off by x [15?] clicks). This set up is for a single rider of 175lbs. you might change it for your weight. Remember to also change the other suspension thingy too if its a big change.

    Stalling: atomicalex and others have some good suggestions. I found that the dealer's set up has the clutch engaging immediately which caused me to stall or pop the clutch. The service manager showed me how to adjust this so the clutch now engages after I've pulled in the lever a little bit. It's easy to do- no tools required. Also the clutch is your friend, feathering it/ dragging it is ok. If that doesn't help, get thee to a dealer

    Tires: I also have the battle wings. Check the pressure! Temperature changes in the fall are making my tire pressures fluctuate a lot and this effects the for handling as well. Btw, they have been great on gravelly and Marbly roads.

    And how about some parking lot practice. It's really ok to do. I can imagine the riding characteristics between the old and new bike are really different; it was different for me going from old thumper to new version with slightly different set up. Let us know how its going!
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  12. Kommando

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    Troubleshoot, instead of just throwing money and effort at it without thinking things through first.

    WHY is the bike stalling? Is it stalling before you release the clutch lever? Is it stalling because you let the clutch lever out too quick? Is it stalling because the clutch engagement is grabby instead of smooth? Is it stalling because you don't give it enough gas? Is it stalling because the fuelling is messed up? Is it stalling because there is a miss in the ignition? Is it stalling because the flywheel is much lighter than you're used to? Is it stalling because the bike has almost NO low-end torque compared to your old bike? Figure this out before throwing money or random training time and effort at it.

    Even if it stalls in mid-turn, you should be able to pull the clutch lever in to keep it rolling...unless you haven't actually gotten the bike rolling just yet. Keep 2 fingers on the clutch lever while turning, so you can feather if needed. Is the new seat high for you? Is the weight up high for you?

    When the bike low-sided, were you braking, applying power, or coasting? Were the tires scrubbed in all the way to the edge of the tread yet? What was your reaction right as it broke loose? Were there any contaminants/bumps/dips on the road? Are you used to sliding a bike around in the dirt?
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  13. atomicalex

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    Good point - when I was on the F650 Twin in training, I was able to restart that thing while rolling without much difficulty. remembering to do so was another story. dur..
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