what are my choices

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by sailer, Jun 18, 2012.

  1. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    There a couple free e-books online as well about sidecar riding. Someone else probably has the links handy.

    I don't know the Bonnie history well enough to talk about years. It's all about the frame. I've seen plenty mounted on 2004 Bonnies though so that should be no problem.

    Any of the tubs you mentioned should mount fine to the Bonnie and you can see examples of all these in the photo thread.
    The Watsonians are EXPENSIVE ($5k to $8k) .
    The Ural tubs are WAYYYY cheaper.
    This guy has a Ural tub on his Bonnie https://sites.google.com/site/threewheelbonnie/Home
    I believe RTR means ready to run, meaning no work needed, bike with sidecar ready to go.

    Cozzi (the installer) installs Cozy (the brand) sidecars. He doesn't make them, just installs. Similar name.

    All the options mentioned (Ural, Triumph, Cozy, Watsonian) would meet your basic needs. It's just a matter of price, looks, and ergonomics.

    Mounting a chair is not a simple thing and you should definitely consult a builder with experience or have them do it for you.

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  3. sailer

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    thank you very much for those links Windmill

    I would like to buy a RTR rig but not seeing much in my area.
    Buying a bike and then a tub to match looks like a possaiblity.
    Looking at a 04 bonneville T100 this weekend.
    still trying to learn which tub/hack would mount up best with that bike.

    I do not plan on mounting the bike to hack myself.
    I do have a network of close friends (who have skill and experties to do)
    I would rather find a shop for hire to mount bike and tub togather.

    are they any such shops in New England?

    like the look of "cozy" sport max standard
    would that tub mount up with a 04 bonneville T100

    you guys have been great
    thank you all and keep feed back coming

    this is such a great site
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  4. jaydmc

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    If you can, take a sidecar class, www.esc.org If not at least read the book "Driving a sidecar outfit" by David Hough. We sell the book for $34.95 White horse press also offers the book. It is usualy not a great idea to have two on the bike and a dog in the sidecar, A better option would be the wife and the dog in the sidecar. This is covered both in the book and the class. My wife and dog (60lbs lab) both ride in our M72DX or M72CX sidecar fine. There are many bikes that work great as sidecar bikes, The most important thing is to start with a bike you like in the frist place. For me it is dual sport bikes as I like running on pavement. Others it is cruiser bike or "Standard" bikes. Standards are few and far between right now. As it has been said the Triumph T-100 is a great choice. Start with a bike that mounts are made for and also steering modifications unless you are going to have a sidecar shop that fabricates install it. We have mounts and triple tree's for the T-100. Other bikes that are popular are the Moto Guzzi bikes. Moto International in Seattle often has new bikes that are returns from other dealers that may be a few years old but sell for much less money and have the full factory warrenty. If you do not want to assemble the bike your self there are shops around that can do it for you. We have a few in the North East. If you are going with a new bike people often will buy a bike local to us, we pick it up and ship the finished sidecar bike back for not much more shipping then a crated sidecar runs. With this option you need not worry if mounts or steering modifications are made for your bike as we would fabricate them. You might also want to look at sidecars first as if you find a sidecar you like, it may not look right on some bikes and look great on others. Can you make it to a sidecar event? You would be able to see lots of sidecars and bikes at an event. The national rally is next month in Idaho. We will be at the event.
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  5. sailer

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    can any one tell me who in New Enland is the go to side car shop ?

    have a bike in mind just want to find some one to mount up side car to it
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  6. toastmuncher

    toastmuncher I be new round here! Ello

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    Jay is right on. Find a chair BEFORE the bike if an R2R outfit eludes you. Chairs are rare and once you find a suitable one a bike to match will be easier to choose than the other way round.
    Any bike with a FULL frame and 500+cc will suffice as a runaround, my local rig is a light velorex and gn250 suzuki single cylinder, its great.
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  7. motorat

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  8. sailer

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    had one offered to me for a really fair price about two years ago but was still on fence weather I wanted a sidecar bike.

    there is a ural with a bad motor on e-bay was thing of buy just for hack.

    would a 2001 ural hack mount up to a 2004 bonneville T100 ????
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  9. matman1972

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    you would have to either build or purchase a subframe.
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  10. gspell68

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    It'd be cheaper to swap the 650cc engine in the Ural combo. Sometimes, some of the dealers have used engines for $350 to $500. I bought a slightly used one for $250 in 2007 and it was still running strong when I parked it in my back yard for my one year trip to Afghanistan. I fully expect for it to run just fine when I get back, yank the tarp off, put some gas in it and charge the battery.
    If you prefer, you can get a 650cc Dnepr engine, a Soviet 750cc flathead, or even a Chinese CJ-750 flathead or OHV engine in 750cc. Don't laugh, One of the guys here, Immulmen I think, drives his CJ-750 powered Ural back and forth to work ... 60 miles round-trip...
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  11. sailer

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    thats good to know. $359 to $500 for a complete motor ????
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  12. Biebs

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    The T100 Triumph seems to be a good choice - You may have a bike that will work. The Ural is a 750cc unit so any bike you like to ride in that cc range will be good but also what you like. Read this fourm to get ideas. The Ural are great if you like 50's Russian Technology that has been updated with some stuff. I rode a 2012 Ural and am much happier with my 1974 BMW with hack. what is your favorite ride - Hack it!!!

    ideas:

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=775213&highlight=biebs
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  13. bpw

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    If your wife doesn't like riding on the back of a bike she will probably like riding on the back of a sidecar even less, and it makes for really crappy/scary handling, and I say this as someone who was perfectly happy flying the chair at highway speeds.

    The whole point of the sidecar is that it is way more comfortable than riding on the back of a moto, so make sure she likes the chair.
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  14. Leaf

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    Or you could build a junkmobile for a couple of grand and give us a tasty build thread here. ;3
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  15. MotoJ

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    This
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  16. matman1972

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    That's what I was thinking... Good luck finding one over here for that price...
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  17. MotoJ

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    I've heard of Gene at Holopaw Corvette selling take-out 650 motors for rock bottom prices, but I think those days are over now that the marque and side-carring in general is getting more popular.
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  18. immulmen

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    Sadly, I now live across the driveway from work so no comute for me.:cry
    My Ural was a 1997 1WD 650cc kick start only I got with a bad motor. I converted it to 2WD and installed a CJ 12v flathead engine with electric start [I almost never use the electric start]. A CJ engine bolts up to the older Ural trany without modifying anything except some wiring. For off road the flathead was lacking power so I installed a CJ OHV engine. When I first put it in last winter I noticed a knock on our camping trip to New Hampshire in February. It never skipped a beet during the trip. So now I am doing what I should have done in the first place, new pistons, rings and a valve job.
    When someone says X bikes are crap I wounder how much is the driver. The CJ I bought so I could swop the OHV into the Ural had 2000k on it. The alignment was way off [wore out the pusher in 1300 miles]. The carbs where not balanced. The timing was at 36 degrees BTDC, should have been 6 and the valves where way loose. And I don't even want to talk about the brakes!!!!
    A friend bought a used CJ OHV for his Dnepr that had a 24mm carb and a 28mm. I wounder why the PO could not make it run good??????
    Chris Jordan
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  19. sailer

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    ok so what I think I understand about this is there are 3 parts or components

    1.Bike

    2 specail frame or sub frane made for you bike to mount up to which ever Hack you choose

    3.side-car

    is this correct ???
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  20. Leaf

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    Ya might not need a subframe...

    My "subframe" isn't really anything more than a bracket that extends the downtube so there's a place to put the bottom front mount. The others are just little pieces of (thick) angle iron bolted here and there just because I didn't have enough U-clamps.

    It hasn't broken... Yet... At least not the places where it mounts to the bike... Knock on wood....

    It's also an itty bitty lightweight 400 that won't break 60 mph on the long flats with the sidecar attached, so that might have something to do with it. :3
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