What do they really weigh?

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by montesa_vr, Mar 1, 2008.

  1. tmotten

    tmotten Lefthand ride Dutchy

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    Stock DRZ400E with a 28l tank fully fueled came in at 160kg.

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    The Dakar with small luggage racks (no luggage obviously), crash bars, RHS exhaust full of tools and YZ front end was 220kg.

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  2. AustinJake

    AustinJake DR-Versys-FXDWG

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    My stock 2010 Husky TE 450 weighed 280 lbs, with 2 gals gas, oil and water. Advertised as 250 lbs dry

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    Add Lynx fairing, Uptite skidplate, Acerbis 1.3 gal can with gas, small luggage rack, tips the scales at 300 lbs.

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  3. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    Now that's a real dual sport there Jake! Congrats.

    I was hot for a KTM 450EXC but need to pay off some credit cards first. I'll follow your trail exploits. :clap
  4. redbastard

    redbastard Long timer

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  5. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    Great link! Any other info on those weights such as if the panniers were stuffed/empty? On one I recalled it said it was full of camping gear.

    Wow 331lbs for a YZF! I imagine his tanks were all full - how much gas does Jonah carry?
  6. kayaker43

    kayaker43 Adventurer

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    Cool thread,.. but kind of depressing regarding all the overweight bikes. I've been a weight weenie all my life and always have some kind of hybrid/custom lightweight bike. Right now I ride a plated XR650R that weighs 275 wet/no gas. I've got arthritis and carpal tunnel so even that is too much for my weak wrists these days so its for sale. because I built something lighter

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    The bike below is a modified BBR framed XR200 that used cr85 suspension and wheels. I laced up some full size trials wheels and extended the swingarm so its now the same size as an XR200 but it weighs just under 192 lbs full of gas or about 30 lbs less than the lightest 125 on the list. It has a Powroll stroker 218 motor, MX suspension and brakes and is street legal. It can embarass pretty much anything in the tight woods and with the 6 speed wide ratio trans will cruise 55 without stress. I think its the best bike Honda never built. Ironicly its 95% stock Honda parts bolted to a custom frame, something Honda could have easily done.

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  7. Yokomo

    Yokomo Dirt Rider

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    More pics of the lightweight needed! That would be a FUN ride on the trails!
    Where do you live that you can legalize them so easy?
  8. kayaker43

    kayaker43 Adventurer

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    I live in Michigan, the 650 is fully legal, the 200 is marginal :wink:.

    Here's a few more pics. Its an experiment that went extremely well. I wanted to see if a sub 200 lb bike was possible and everything about it far exceeded my expectations. The extreme lightness changes everything. The super torquey 218 stroker motor, long travel and trials tire combined with the light weight puts it in a whole different category. The BBR frame is acually pretty heavy so I'm building the second generation frame and will also refine the ergos at the same time. My hope is to offer frame kits to accept stock honda parts and the xr200 or crf230 engines. It weighs 183 lbs, no gas now and I'm shooting for 175 - 180 lbs with full size wheels, adult ergonomics and race quality suspension.

    At 275 lbs I may have the lightest 650 around but the little XR is another 92 lbs lighter yet !!

    A new category,.. super playbikes ?? Imagine a bike docile enough to learn on that can still spank a 450 in the woods :eek1

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    You can see the swingarm stretch, relocated footpegs and 3.5 lb custom pipe in this last picture.

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  9. pod6

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    Haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been brought up already, but Gas weights about 6 pounds a gallon, and the gas tank capacity of all those bikes is probably available, so if you wanted to do the work you could generate the same list for wet, empty tank.
  10. GR0NK

    GR0NK Got some screws loose!

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    A stocker weighs 290 without fuel (give or take a pound) so I'd like to know where you shaved 15 pounds off your bike?

    The USD forks are obvious, and so is the trimmed rear plastic. An astute eye will also notice your muffler is shorter than stock as well. Is all this worth the 15 lbs or does the Edelbrock carb account for something? :D



    Sean :bmwrider
  11. byron555

    byron555 Lame Duck Adventurer

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    No kidding.... what are the mfg's thinking... this is the type of trail bike I want, and I am sure would be cheaper than a KTM freeride.

    Not to mention, if you are basing the engine on the honda 200/230... A CRAP ton of cheap fairly reliable Chinese motors will bolt right in
  12. kayaker43

    kayaker43 Adventurer

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    Gronk, I'm pretty sure a stock 650r weighs more than 290? that's probably the dry weight and I can't find my notes but I thought it was 306 ish with all fluids and no gas. Everything contributes to the weight loss,.. lighter wheels, brakes, shock, swingarm, lighter headlight, etc,.. The missing airbox saves nearly 5 lbs and the missing shock linkage was another couple lbs. The better suspension makes a huge difference too, no swapping in the whoops and no shock fade.

    Byron 555, the Freeride is not really very light and it has less suspension travel. There's another one called the Bergham R250 that is the same way. Hardly any lighter and less travel. They both have all the complication I don't want on the trail with fuel injection, e-start and water cooling. however they both validate the concept that less power is better if its the right kind of power. My little Powroll 218 stroker with torque cam is the friendliest, smoothest most ridable power I ever experienced. That was the biggest shocker, coming off a 650 I thought the 200 would be pretty lame but it will pull 6th gear in deep sand and hang right with a 450 in michigan trails. I may be using 80% of my power all the time but it still has more than I need! The 218 has about 30% more torque than stock and that feels like a lot more when you shed so much weight.

    Building around the little XR motor means I can swap in many of the chinese clones as you pointed out but also the CRf230 engine with its e-start and available hop up parts. These old school engines may seem uninspiring but they respond well to hop ups and really wake up when installed in a radically lightened bike.
  13. Tachedoutoffroad

    Tachedoutoffroad Mr. Parrish

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    on a 500lb industrial digital scale

    -2006 Husqvarna 610SM, no mirrors, new pipe, no bark busters, no passenger pegs, 3.2 gallons = 318lbs
    -2007 Husqvarna 610TE, mirror, skid plate, no pegs, bark busters, small rack, 3.2 gallons = 325lbs
    -2006 Yami WR450, plated, armored, bark busters, 3.4? gallons, Lighter tiny battery, GPS, small rack = 285lbs
    -2009 Husky 450SMR, 2.2 gallons, no armor, mirrors= 283lbs
    -1996 Honda XR400, armored, bark busters, no battery :D, 2.2 gallons, dirty = 280lbs
    -2011 Huky 310TE, huge bark busters, skid plate, 2.1 gallons, GPS mounted, dirty = 264lbs

    When I get time Ill throw a YZ426, DR200, and XR250 on there

    I loved my 610s, but they felt every bit of the 60lbs more than teh 310. Was great above 30mph, but sucked in the woods and on top of me. 310 wont run 95mph down the interstate for an hour like the SM will.
  14. montesa_vr

    montesa_vr Legend in his own mind

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    Nice contribution Tached -- were those weights full tanks of gas?
  15. Tachedoutoffroad

    Tachedoutoffroad Mr. Parrish

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    Yes. Full of gas. Smallest was 310/ 400 probably 2.2. WR and 610 have 3.2ish. None were "big" tanks.
  16. Foot dragger

    Foot dragger singletracker

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    Suzuki now claims 377lbs full of gas for a stock DR650se,they usually dont add weight to their specs. The pre 96 DR was way heavier,I forget how much but they were even more of a tank.
  17. Foot dragger

    Foot dragger singletracker

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    Neat little 200,those footpegs being right down at the bottom of the frame work good in rocks/stumps and deep ruts? I would hate to turn my foot around backwards with those. Amazing its lighter then a 200KTM with that old school Honda engine,or even lighter then the newest trickest 2 stroke 125 made.
  18. pjturbo

    pjturbo Been here awhile

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    Back in 1982 I took a Suzuki RM125 chassis and put a Honday XR200 engine in it. With 1 gal. of gas it weighted 198 lb. It routinely got 100 mpg on PNW single track trails. The manfufactures haven't improved since then.

    Phil
  19. DYNOBOB

    DYNOBOB lucky dog

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    Cool thread. I think the bathroom scale method works well if you use a short 2x6 to distribute the weight of the bike on the scale and block up the other tire to same height.

    TE630. Skid, barkbusters, windshield, gps, rack, no luggage, no fuel, no Givi = 340 lbs.
    6.6 gal fuel and normal luggage load (bags,Givi,tools,etc) = 410 lbs.
    47 rear wheel hp

    The weight of the TCI Outback rack was almost exactly offset by the 14lb weight loss going to FMF exhaust.

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    Before Safari and FMF

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    Heading to camp on WRT
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  20. Yokomo

    Yokomo Dirt Rider

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    that white tank looks much better than stock