What Dual Sport should Honda build next

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by itrack, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. Bluffskier

    Bluffskier Been here awhile

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    My only concern with a new XRL is it will be a turd off road. Just like jetSki's and everything else as of late, bigger seems to be better in the eyes of manufacturers, or maybe just more profitable.
    Then it hit me, the best XRL is an owner updated one to fit your needs, so in reality the new XRL is here.

    In my opinion, if Honda makes a new dual sport to replace the beloved XRL, or even update it, chances are it will be some type of huge ass ADV fire road only bike somewhere between a GS and a Tiger, or maybe closer to a Goldwing with 90%on/10% off road tires.

    I hope not, but that's what my money is on any new Honda DS.
  2. michael1968

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    And makes 100 hp with super long service intervals...

    Seriously though, these bikes you guys are talking about sound good but there's just not the market for them. Yes Honda could possibly make them and sell them for a profit but they will make way more money selling big fat tourers that can handle the odd pot hole or high performance enduro bikes. In companies like that there are things like target profits and volumes.

    Even on here where there are relatively like minded individuals spec-ing their dream bikes there are (of coarse) different ideas on what the ideal new dual sport should be.

    Looks like you guys are going to have to build them yourselves.
  3. Cruz

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    The problem with the XRR was that Honda designed it for a single purpose and that was Baja. It was designed for desert racing in the US and Mexico. Then Honda corporate withdrew from Baja racing for several years and the Feds under DiFi closed off vast tracks of the California desert, which in turn, caused sales to plummet. Oh, and also Commiefornia stopped plating dirt bikes for dual sport, which killed another market. Why they didn't keep the XRR and plate it is a mystery to me too.


    That is a cool bike :clap

    You mention the XRL is smog legal, which is true. However, it is only true because it is a legacy model that if introduced as a new model would not meet smog standards. Which, is also a problem for any air cooled engine nowadays. This also affects Europe with their smog nazis too. :puke1
  5. Sierra Thumper

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    Thats prolly why they don't seem to want to change the xrl.....I've been out of dirt bikes for 15 years, when I picked up my 04 xrl I was shocked to see the EXACT same bike in my local dealers showroom as a 2012, and I was even more shocked that its the same basic platform from 1993 :eek1 Kinda nice to be able to pick and choose the colors of plastics from diff years to customize it tho.....and parts are dirt cheap and aftermarket support is still very good :thumb

    With some simple and inexpensive mods its a great dual sport. Mines been completely derestricted/desmogged/full carb mods/slide drilled/desnorkeled/filter/slip-on exhaust and suspension revalved, and its an awesome offroad bike now....great suspension, TONS of handy torque, instant throttle snap, and still winds up nice and quick. All the power I can use offroad and then some, and thats at 5000 to 8000+ft up. Plus its super simple and reliable, and low maintainence, which I like alot :D
    Its still a pretty good bang for the buck, especially if you don't need cutting edge tech......prolly why they haven't changed it yet.
  6. Llamaha

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    It's hard for them to build fast lightweight dual sports because of the strict environmental laws in Japan, remember this is the country that first adopted the Kyoto protocol (who believes this nonsense really). I think that's probably why they never updated the DRZ400 with fuel injection, WR gearbox and a 6 speed because they'd probably have to pass the emissions tests again.

    Thankfully it doesn't really matter because Yamaha have the WR250R which is just delightful...
  7. wingnut11

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    I'm kind of at a loss as to how you reason that it's hard for them to build fast lightweight dual sports because of their environmental laws. I don't really see causation there. I became even more confused when you say that it's probably why the DRZ400 didn't get fuel injected. As far as I know it's probably easier to get a fuel injected bike to pass emissions standards than it is for a bike with a carb. If their laws are so strict then I'd think they'd have to retest every time they made any kind of change to an engine, fuel or exhaust system, maybe even every so often even without changes just to make sure no one is cheating. Just how hard is this emissions test? Wouldn't it just be measuring for certain things in the exhaust gas? There are a lot of places where you'd have to get that checked annually (as a private vehicle owner) and have to pay for it. I'd bet that Honda or any major manufacturer has that stuff sitting around, well not sitting as such. I bet they use it and know that things will pass the sniffer check before they ever send it to the government for the official test.
  8. Grreatdog

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    If I had to guess the biggest reason why Honda can't or won't sell the same kinds of street legal offroad bikes as the Europeans it would be warranty. Specifically our EPA mandated emissions parts warranty. Just like your car, those parts have a separate warranty.

    KTM and others are EPA small manufacturers. Which means they don't play by the same EPA rules as the big boys. As of 2008 they have to meet the same exhaust requirements. But, AFAIK, they do not have to meet the same emissions parts durability standards.

    Plus, as nearly as I can tell, there are no product liability lawyers at KTM. Honda lawyers slather their milk toast dual sports with all manner of warning labels. So imagine those same lawyers at a company selling high performance street legal bikes as "Ready to Race".

    That said, there is still no reason why their 250 has to weigh as much as my decade old 640 . Well, I guess there is. They want to be the least common denominator in the dual sport market. They want to sell ten thousand cheap bikes. The Europeans want to sell a thousand expensive bikes.
  9. motomike14

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    Suzuki said they are going to "focus on the DS market." An updated DRZ400s or a new DRZ500s might give the big four the kick in the rear to take the DS market a little more serious. As someone looking to buy a newer DS in the next 2-3 years, one can only hope.
  10. Grreatdog

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    Suzuki is the only Japanese brand I have never owned. :evil
  11. MotoChris521

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    And your proud about that ?

    I've only owned one KTM , and don't plan on another any time soon.
  12. Grreatdog

    Grreatdog Long timer

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    Proud?

    Zoom right over your head.

    My point, since it apparently requires being somewhat more obvious, is that I am not brand loyal. I would buy a Suzuki in a heart beat if they offer something better than what I have. They hang a license plat on the old 450Z and they might tempt me into giving one a whirl.
  13. MotoChris521

    MotoChris521 Been here awhile

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    Sorry , I missed it. I'm not brand loyal either.

    Except for Toyota trucks.:lol3
  14. trailrider383

    trailrider383 867-5309

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    What brand is the XT200 in your signature? Sounds like a Japanese Yamaha.
  15. Grreatdog

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    "Suzuki is the only brand I have never owned" means I have owned Honda, Kawasaki and Yamaha. So, yes, the museum piece that I use to remind myself of how badly bikes used suck is in fact a Yamaha.

    Man, y'all PUI already or what?
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    I read it too fast. "never". I will probably be PUI later this evening after a couple of margaritas. :photog
  18. NJ-Brett

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    You can also wish for a rocket 3 dual sport....




  19. Dino3310

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    all honda had to do was add an electric start to the XR650R... i know on my side of the world it would be the perfect dual sport
  20. RebelYell

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    Get rid of the epa and problem solved back to street legal 2 smokers:D Hopefully a affordable one thats simple to work on.KISS Honda.