I just read this whole thread because it is a total trainwreck! I would love for the Japanese manufacturers to really flex their muscle in the DS market...just like they did with the sportbike market. My 95 Honda CBR600F3 was probably around 460lbs with 92 hp. Now 600's are, what, 370lbs with 125hp? I wouldn't mind every DS bike dropping 20% of their fat. That way I would feel better about not dropping 20% of my fat.