What Dual Sport should Honda build next

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by itrack, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. onaXR

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  2. tHEtREV

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    MT 250 about 75

    CRM250 was a two stroke trail bike in the 90s.

    There the only two I can think of off the top of my head.
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  3. Sierra Thumper

    Sierra Thumper Been here awhile

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    Folks have diff needs....some want an adventure bike, some want strictly a dirt bike with lights, some want a 600+lb street bike with dirt tires, some want a tiny bike, some want a high hp 12 inch travel bike......the list goes on and on. I think there's a bike out there to make everybody happy. I think maybe folks should be riding the bikes of their choice more, and spending less time fighting about them on the net :D :thumb
    BTW this is a generalized statement Falcon, not aimed at you whatsoever :wink:

    I don't think you quite understand the typical riders mentality, especially the U.S. rider......they need more of everything than is usually necessary. More hp, more suspension travel, more farkles, gadgets, gizmo's, do-dads, whatever it may be. More is better, and too much is never enough :rofl

    That being said you do seem to be going on about your 230 tho......its a great bike, but I'm getting the impression you feel you have to continously defend and pound your choice of bike into the forums head.....not exactly sure why you feel that way? I would ride your bike and enjoy it, and not worry about having to convince the forum that it's a good bike....because it is a good bike, and if you enjoy riding it thats all that matters :thumb

    Every bike I own and ride is a good bike, because I enjoy the heck out of them or I wouldn't own them :D
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  4. ADVNCW

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    Much wisdom. :clapI enjoy discussing and explaining the 230L. And I think I see the typical thought which is not quite right, and harmful to some beginners etc in choosing motorcycles. Same thing happens in my other hobbies eg skiing and MTB as well. Even I am surprised at how well the 230L does for what I do. Someone else could do the same, the bike serves beginners and experienced riders well, and is much more trouble-free to own than the big-ego-stoke $$ choices.

    Many responses seem to point out perhaps a lack of understanding, so I guess my style is to continue the discussion and explain why it works well, Some just like to take a final shot that is just not really correct, so I bla bla:D

    By using this website I have been able to choose a motorcycle and set it up and complete my goal of the WABDR. I bought the bike in May. Perhaps my bla bla will help someone. There is a lot of peer pressure to get the wrong motorcycle or for the wrong reasons:cry

    I appreciate the discussion recently as well since I was ready to spend $8K but have decided it would not really be much better- since I do not plan to ride the superslab. It also helped to ride with someone on a WR250R and also try it. So thanks for the discussion.

    As well, I would be thrilled if my bla bla helped Honda decide to make a moltorcycle that I would want,:D

    Yeah, I would love to have kept my past motorcycles, they were great and unobtainable now. I am looking and may get an '09 230L and put it in the garage. 7k miles on mine since May, may need a replacement in 5 years.

    This is a thread about Honda dualsport motorcycles. That is what I ride. It is strange indeed the dysfunction of some punks who insert their brand inappropriately, with hubris, illogical pride and hubris, into many threads, and here- and disrespect not just discussion is offered up by punks who know the internet lets them spout off in that fashion witout consequence.

    Thanks.:1drink
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  5. Grreatdog

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    You need to grow some thicker skin or maybe lay off the caffeine.
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  6. ADVNCW

    ADVNCW Banned

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    I did have 10 shots of espresso today:D Then I rode my motorcycle in the high mountains! I need to shut up here (they all said yea!) and go post a TR.

    On the verbal assertivenes test I was nearly 6x the high norm score:huh

    Not really offended, just discussing and making points and dissing assholes- I hate know it all bully punks (not you, the ones that I put on ignore) who seem to use the internet sometimes.:evil
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  7. SlowRide13

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    I still haven't seen anyone trash his bike :scratch
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  9. Night Falcon

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    I think you make a good point ST....generally speaking that is :evil
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  10. Off the grid

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    Yeah, this thread is about Honda motorcycles....who haven't made a modern bike to compare to anything the Euros have produced in almost 15 years.

    Why would they start now?
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  11. Sierra Thumper

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  12. Sierra Thumper

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    Thanks for explaining more.....it helps me understand you have a passion for your bike and just want to talk about it.....nothing wrong with that :thumb I get the impression you're just a verbally expressive kinda guy :D
    I love my bikes too for the places they can take me and the way they can make me feel......I don't think I'd be sane without them :rofl
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  13. cyclewizard

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    Stop teasing us.......:lol3
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  14. ADVNCW

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    Thanks now we can kumbaya and I will try to be less overbearing:D I guess I cannot flippin believe what that little bike does so well so I go on and on...:huh

    I am working on a TR to post- fall colors and a high lake tour.:D
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  15. cyclewizard

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    I agree with you, take a look at the engineers(stock holders too) that are working at Honda now, they have no passion for the sport, they're just pay check collectors with no vision for the U.S. market.
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    Sweet!
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  17. Sierra Thumper

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    Its all about business....they can sell good bikes at good prices all around the world and make way more money doing it than the botique european makers. There are always more expensive options when buying anything, you just have to decide what gets the best job done for you at the best price :D

    And more expensive doesn't always mean more reliable :wink:

    It wasn't until the last few years that the more expensive euro sportbikes could hang with the japanese machines in terms of performance and reliability......the same could be said of the euro dirt machines to some degree. In fact at the highest levels of dirt racing the japanese mxer's still pretty much rule the roost, except for this year when all of Dungee's competition got hurt, which handed KTM and him the outdoor championship. Kawi will be back on top next year :evil
    I am a big Dungee fan tho....great guy and awesome rider :thumb
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  18. cyclewizard

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  19. jules083

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    Hmm....

    I currently own the following bikes, and have owned 0 previous 4 stroke dirt bikes:

    2008 CRF450R
    2003 XR650R
    1984 XR250R
    2005 KLR 650 (I know, I know...)
    2003 TTR125L (almost stole it at the price, couldn't pass up)


    I feel that the XRR was a great bike, arguably one of the best, that is past it's prime at this point. Don't get me wrong: I love it, not for sale, never for sale, I don't care what happens it's a keeper.

    For Honda to build a bike that I would buy now:

    Let's call it an XR400L. Compete with the DRZ, but improve it. Put the motor in a CRF frame. Make it a water cooled motor based off the 450, with better long term reliability. Make it a wide-ratio 6 speed, with 6th being an overdrive type gear. Keep the low 1st and 2nd, but give a good spread after that. Aluminum frame. Less than or equal to weight to my XRR. Magic button. Good suspension, up to modern crf450x standards.

    It won't happen.

    I would keep an eye on the used market if the CRF450X was as long-lasting as the XRR. I could dual-sport that and be happy, but it seems to be more maintenance-extensive.

    If I'm able to work out a title issue I plan on dual sporting my XR250R, that may very well change my mind on this debate. So far I like the bike, but I have many things to work out with it before I can make an honest opinion.

    My complaints with the XRR are very few and far between. My bike is stock-ish and plated. An e-start would be great. The power is a bit overkill IMO, I don't have the skill to use it all. I doubt many people here do. The suspension is OK, but I've had some very hard landings while jumping smaller things and thinking I was on my CRF. Fixable with some work I imagine, haven't really done anything except play with clickers/sag.
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  20. ADVNCW

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    This is where I rode today-

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    This trail is perfect for my 230L!!!!:D
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    Will put up a TR. This was an attempt at humor...