What Dual Sport should Honda build next

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by itrack, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. blake716

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  2. ADVNCW

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    Seems reasonable, I appreciate what you posted. Thanks. I guess one accepts one or the other limitation...:norton

    I agree with many that I would like to see a dualsport Honda 300cc to 500 cc at around 270lbs, a motorcycle that one can ride trail terrain on.:D

    A flash in the pan high-performance disposable motorcycle that lasts like 5 minutes compared to something like a Honda. Or, get a Honda, Yamaha, or Suzuki and ride it hard every day for a decade or more, not excessive maintenance/ rebuilding, does the job well enough (unless one has some need to fulfill with that $10k investment for a few seconds faster:huh). Does that performance margin really matter if one is not racing- myself and lots of folks I talk to know that a eg Honda etc riding with a KTM is not just left behind recreationally, very reasonable if one has sober consideration, self-confidence, ego control...

    Most folks understand the score. Some, particularly KTM blowhard punks (not to be confused with fine citizens who ride excellent KTM motorcycles), just sound like they are compensating for something else missing in their life. This Honda blowhard just does not want to accept the illogic and bullshit of blowhard punks who do not want to allow others to have an opinion, preference, or enjoy their choice. WTF- like some religious fanaticism these KTM blowhards (again, not to be confused with fine KTM owners who post here, a couple of friends of mine, very good folks, reasonable, not bullies). Some asshole that blows $10k for some small ego satisfaction measured in a few faster seconds perhaps feels superior in his mind, but doe not realize how little he really matters to the world...:rofl

    Looking at the XT225 thread just now, I do not see so much of the KTM blowhard punks (not to be confused with fine citizens who ride excellent KTM motorcycles) inserting themselves. Perhaps it is just an attack-Honda thing? There is a posting there of a guy stating that he likes riding steep ground and does it better up and down on his TW200, and it does it better than his 525EXC! ANd I did not notice these punks hanging around dissing Honda going after that...


    If someone wants to ride a TW200 across the northern tier or around the world, or a scooter, KLR650, whatever their choice, and they like it and talk about it, great:D.

    I agree with many that I would like to see a dualsport Honda 300cc to 500 cc at around 270lbs, a motorcycle that one can ride trail terrain on.:D
  3. Grreatdog

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    That one about made me made spit my Coke on the monitor. Who could ask for more than 30 hp wrapped in a 335 pound package featuring flexible forks, a screen door shock and wooden brakes. Too bad they dropped the 23" front wheel in '82. That was a truly unique feature. :lol3
  4. ADVNCW

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    Yep, I know what you are saying. That rebuilt red Transalp on Flea Market appeals to what you say. I am tempted for that, but have to reorient to reality that it is 2013 and for what I want (CDR, WABDR) there are better choices.

    A motorcycle to enjoy everyday does not have to have max HP and max suspension- just enough would do it. One can ride nearly anything on a decent motorcycle, while the elite race bikes do just a couple of things well... for a limited time!

    My little dog 230L carries me everywhere, sometimes I do it better than the $$ well-respected rides, sometimes frustrating eg on the open highway for very far. But my Honda starts EVERY TIME, maintenence is not that much, repair is rare especially since trail riding several thousand miles even gnarly mountain terrain I have dropped the (easy!) little dog 230L now...twice :1drink If I saw in reality what the blowhards post, I would NEED to go get the $9k motorcycle that lasts 5 minutes...but I have a great time on a Honda, 7000 miles since May on all terrain, highway, traveling, dirt roads.
  5. Ned1

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    ^^ You are SUCH a troll
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    ADVNCW Banned

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    That made me grin! Thanks.

    I see that you list owning a WR250R. I have not decided, but that may be my CDR motorcycle next year. Unless a street legal tourable CRF450 Rally becomes available.

    Would keep the little dog though. Would not really think of the WR250R as a big dog though.

    A street legal CRF450 Rally would be the big dog for me....
  8. jasonmt

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    Funny thing, I currently actually own (and maintain) a Husky TXC 449, a Husky TE 630, a Honda CRF 250X and had a KTM 530EXC prior to the Husky 449. As already mentioned SHMBO had a CRF 230F before her skills outgrew it and she moved on to a TM EN144.

    The Husky 449 cost me under $6500 CDN brand new and with ~50 hours on it has required less less work on it than the CRF did by 50 hours.

    The KTM 530 had about 450 hours on it and I had checked the valves 12 times or so and had to change a few shims (easily sourced at the local HD dealer) while the CRF was on it's second time apart and second go around with valves by 400 hours.

    My view of the 230's (after having one for a couple of years and then my 12-14 YO nephews beating on it for a few more years) is that it is a great starter bike for first time riders and teenagers moving up from smaller "trail bikes" like a XR, TTR etc. but the phrase "Monkey humping a football" comes to mind when someone his size is riding it.

    After seeing ADVNCW's continued praising of the 230 with such evangelical fervour (and seeing the size of him and the amount of crap he has strapped to it) I have come to the conclusion he is either/or/and:


    1. Trolling.
    2. Delusional.
    3. Not going over 10mph on any of the trails he rides.
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    Trolling it is then, off to ignore with our delusional troll ADVNCW.
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    Okay, back on topic. I don't have time to read the whole thread so if I repeat I apologize. But I did read a lot.

    Here is my two cents. I grew up on Hondas and my favorite was the SL350 '71 twin. Cruised easily at 70 with just a bit of vibe. Rode all day in the original seat and was just fine. Sat pretty low but had plenty of leg room. With FI, just a bit of weight reduction, vibe balancer, and a 50% improvement in front and rear susupension it would sell like hot cakes still today. They were easy to ride and easy to push hard till you crashed. And they got well over 50 mpg. And in those days it seems the Honda understood what first gear was for...creeping and manuevering.

    I have taken the NC700X out and put it through the paces street and dirt. To my way of thinking the best points are missed or just not explained enough. That engine is plenty powerful for the vast majority of true Dual Sport riders, and the low COG is just phenomenal and makes it one of the easiest bikes I have ever ridden. But it needs higher wider bars. It needs a bit more seat room. It needs at least a modest attemt at suspension. The most important parts, the tranny and engine are fantastic. The guys who miss the idea with these two are like the guys who can't figure out why Romney didn't anihilate Obama int he last debate...yes he could but he would have lost. Fabulous power eminating in a fountain does not a dualsport make...that is a MXer or a Sportbike. We are talking the kind of bike normal people ride that can put a scare into you once in a while....not rooster to Kansas.

    Last I think Honda and all the rest are just plain stupid...they need to look at the American Cruiser business. Put out a good engine and tranny, let the rest suck and then cash in while they upgrade it to the gotta have bike. Man some of these companies are just stupid...way more money in aftermarket upgrades than selling bikes.
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    More to the topic, and I'm sorry to say, but Honda will never, ever produce a dual sport bike that has:

    E and kick start
    40+hp, 500 +/- cc
    Good suspension and brakes-stock (ie name brand)
    FI
    Decent ergos
    Tank that holds 3.5g+
    Under 275lbs dry

    It will never happen. Honda makes its money by producing hundreds of thousands of cheap, 100-175cc bikes to countries like India, China and Brazil. There are literally thousands of models of Hondas that Americans have no idea about....and no interest in. They are made to a specific price point and have to skimp on things like suspension and brakes to make them cheap. Does a man who lives in India with a 10 year old, 150cc Honda Tornado as his family vehicle give a shit if the ratio between first and second gear is too much of a jump? No, he could care less. Does he care if his shocks bottom out over every bump or rebound like the ass on a cheerleader? No, all he wants is the engine to start. Every day. So it does.

    The same thought process is shown in their US offroad bikes. Cheap, unchanged, built to meet a price point.

    Does Honda make a good engine? Sure, no one can debate that. But if you are looking for innovation or anything state-of-the art, look elsewhere.

    Honda ain't it.

    If anything, pin your Japanese hopes on Yamaha for putting out a bike close to what I described above. At least they are innovating and taking chances with new designs and new models in the offroad market. (forward-canted engine, WR250R)
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    I don't post much here either, but I read a lot

    it seems, on many threads, anyone who doesn't give approval you call an "asshole"

    now you can call me an "asshole"

    you keep digging that hole deeper advncw so deep no one will ever see you

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  14. ADVNCW

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    Yes, sir, thanks, you are correct, nirvana. This past week I rode 200+ miles of dirt, FS singletrack, FS roads,old roads, beautiful fall colors. Thanks:D.
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    I rode all of the same areas in the past on my excellent '83 IT490, as well on a TLR200 Reflex, now even more fun on the CRF230L since it is comfortable and very good on dirt and in the tight and gnarly, easy, 73MPG!

    I like to share that but you know, not the right model for some of the punk chest-beaters. I have looked to see that the same punks are spreading similar crap elsewhere, and sharing troubling personal info at times in their posts here. They can only get away with this behind their keyboard, pond scum punks.

    So, yea, I am not like most folks, and some of these punks would not like it at all in person...

    There are many great folks posting here, I, and we all appreciate that.

    I see others talk about riding their small Yamahas, TW200, etc, with equal enthusiasm.Cool. Got nothing against any other motorcycle, have ridden street, big dirt bikes as well. Great to hear from others about their motorcycle passion. Motorcycle riding is great!
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    Bultaco206 Back-to-back motos suck

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    I read lots of threads here. Some pertain to me and what I ride, some don't. But I enjoy reading and I always can learn something from someone here.

    But I've never quite seen anything like this guy. His act is quite amusing.
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    Please do put me on ignore. But I doubt that you will, you thrive on what you are doing, some sort of attention getting behavior, one-upping to soothe your insecure self. You put effort into being smarmy and provocative in your personal attacks toward me- and others before. You are a shallow thinking punk. Please ignore me, great! One of your old posts shows the same behavior in posting toward another. What a punk. Bye bye!
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    ADVNCW Banned

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    Good stuff, thanks. True about dual sports...

    I sat on the NC700X and thought it felt great, low center of gravity. Too bad that it has the small wheels, I would be very tempted for easy trips like the CDR. The NC700X would be comfortable, dependable like a Honda, good gas mileage.
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    Thanks! :D You would be equally amazed in-person :rofl
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    i couldnt find the perfect honda dualsport so i made something that would work for me. i started with a 02 bmw f650gs, added yz426 frontend, made a 18 inch front wheel to run super cheap dualsport tires, modified a rear tw200 180 rear rim and tire to fit.now i have the perfect for me dualsport. cruises 80mph on the freeway all day long, super stable on and offroad, gets 65 miles per gallon, 4.5 gallon fuel tank, 50 hp bullet proof rotax motor and factory recomended 6,000 miles between oil changes.
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    That is amazng! Thanks for posting that! :D