What else should I compare to...

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by JDouglas, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. JDouglas

    JDouglas AAAAAAAAAAAAAAgggggh

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    Greetings,

    Im brand new here. I currently own a 2007 wee-strom with 37k miles on it and ride a ST1300 at work. I would like to start doing more adventure riding to include logging and fire roads, open areas, and cross-country etc. I would still do a lot of roadway as well. Some weekends it would be 2-up on the road.

    The thing I have noticed about the Suzuki compared to the ST is the Strom feels cheapish in its quality. I realise they are completely different bikes with different purposes and price points.

    I am considering buying a new Tiger 800xc. It feels much more "solid" amongst other things than does the Suzuki and I enjoyed the demo ride I had on the Tiger. It's obviously more capable in many areas than the Strom.

    I want to make sure I ride other bikes so I get the one I want. So my question to you, learned cadre, is what else should I consider and test ride?
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  2. SpaceManSpiff

    SpaceManSpiff Man of Mystery

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    Welcome!

    There are all kinds of choices out there...but honestly since you already have a wee...throw some soft luggage on it and ride it. It is fully capable of those missions you mentioned. After some time on it, you will get a feel for what it does well and what it sucks at...then you will have a baseline for your next purchase.

    (When I had my wee, I was shocked at how much just a nice ProTaper bar transformed the feel of the bike).
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  3. Pecha72

    Pecha72 Long timer

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    2012 -> `Glee-StromĀ“. Not night and day, but nicely improved from the older one in many ways. Simply feels like a more complete package, and a very capable touring machine indeed. I currently have the -12, and still have an older -07 ABS as well.
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  4. PeterW

    PeterW Long timer

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    The cheapest large adv bike to drop is the one you have now. Put TKC-80's or Heideneau K60's on it and learn to ride on dirt on a 'not so new' bike. Or even more sensible downsize to a 250 and you'll learn faster.

    Pete
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  5. Homerb

    Homerb Been here awhile

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    I also had my heart set on an 800XC, until l rode an F800gs straight after the Tiger. Never liked the BMW until l rode one.
    Dont be afraid to test as many bikes as you can. In the last month lve tested a 650 Terra, Tiger 1050 Sport, Bmw g650 Sertao and F800gs.
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  6. TCAdventure

    TCAdventure Sport Adventurer

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    I would try the Super Tenere. Good balance between function, cost and reliability. Would work well for 2 up and will handle the adventure riding you mention. Good luck with your search.
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  7. danketchpel

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    If you haven't done much of the off-road riding you describe I would suggest mounting some more adventure oriented tires on the Wee and giving it a shot for the short term. In the long run I think your choice of the Tiger 800XC would be my choice, especially considering your comments about 2 up and lots of roadway in between. The F800GS is a tiny bit better off the pavement but not so great 2 up and more vibey on the road.

    At the moment there aren't too many choices in the middleweight ADV class, i sure wish there were as there's a lot of us looking for something between a 650 single and a 1200 twin. I'm one of them I've got a choice of my KLR650 or my Stelvio 1200. The Stelvio is awesome for the long haul and pretty heavy for the dirt work. The KLR is rather weak when it comes to 2 up exploring. It works .... but just, it's pretty cramped for 2 people and pretty vibey on the road.

    I have my eyes on the Tiger 800XC as a possible KLR replacement but I'm hoping something closer to a modern Africa Twin comes along in the 650-750 range.

    You might want to check out the Super Tenere, it could work for you also. It's very comfy 2 up and plays in the dirt pretty well for a big beast. It's definitely worth a test ride.
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  8. St. Arbucks

    St. Arbucks Looking for clues...

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    There is a good, tho short, thread on Strom vs. Tiger, buried from about a week ago. My only comment on that one, and here, is that you will find a huge different in heat management between the Wee and the Tiger.

    I also had a Strom and an ST-1300. The ST was my go-to bike for Fall, Winter, and Spring. The Strom was my hot days of summer bike because of how cool it ran compared to the ST.

    Fast forward to recent 95 degree days with my new Tiger. Hot. Damn hot. Air from radiator blown up the legs, inner thighs, and da' jewels.

    Though others have differing opinions on the heat of the Tigers. (YMMV) I suggest that you take a test ride on a Tiger during a hot day, and make sure you get at least 30 minutes on it.

    Hope this helps.

    I loved my STrom and would have it today if some 82 year old lady hadn't decided to help me off of it one fine summer day. :)

    Good luck.
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  9. JDouglas

    JDouglas AAAAAAAAAAAAAAgggggh

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    Thanks for the information from everyone. I may end up with a Tigre XC or a F800gs in the long run but I am going to play some more with the Strom and add some new kit to it.
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  10. JDouglas

    JDouglas AAAAAAAAAAAAAAgggggh

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    Not that it was you but, I believe someone else had commented on the ST1300 being quite hot and the Tiger being similar. I spend 10+ hours a day on a ST1300 when I work. Much of it in traffic or sitting still after running it up. I get some heat from the ST1300, but I don't know that it's awful. Maybe Im not understanding the comparison they made?
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  11. Nevada

    Nevada Been here awhile

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    The heat on the ST1300 can vary quite a bit from bike to bike. Once you then add the different gear folks wear, different environmental conditions and different heat sensitivity of the riders, and it can be difficult to get a good read on how hot ST1300s are as a breed. A rider wearing the same gear and going from an ST1300 to another bike can say "Bike X runs cooler than my ST1300", and given enough such feedback it is fairly safe to conclude that Model X runs cooler than ST1300s, but that still doesn't answer how hot either one actually is...
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  12. boomhwr

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    My ST1100 gets hot enough to be uncomfortable with Olympia pants. I try to stay out on the highways or county roads when I use it at work. I did the KLR for Tiger swap and love it. Had a V before that it was just too top heavy for the dirt roads, and that was when the work bike was a Road King!
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