What have I done?????????????

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by brian72, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. hacksaw55

    hacksaw55 Been here awhile

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    Made the move last year to a Yamaha Morphous and I'm loving it. Did the seat, tall windshield and working on the rear trunk now.
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  2. John Bentall

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    At a rideout on last Sunday.

    BMW K1200S owner (& part-time Nurburgring Instructor), "Hey John, you haven't come on the scooter today?"
    Me -Honda SH300i, "No, I'm on the bike. But I could keep up with you if I had come on the scooter"
    Nurburgring Instructor, "We'll see about that!"
    Me, "I could not keep up with you on your own, I'll admit. But I could keep up with the group at the speed it rides at!"
    Nurburgring Instructor - No answer :lol3
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  3. scootermann

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    Yeah, I have a scooter and have been wanting to get a motorcycle... just can't figure out why. One of my best buddies has a couple of BMWs (1200GS, 650GS, 1150RT) and we went and rode the "Dragon" last fall (see avatar). I promise you, no one had a better time than I did on my Majesty 400!
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  4. soboy

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    Welcome to the club. I've been riding motorcycles for 39 years, and in the last five years, have become very interested in trying a scooter. Bought an Agility 125 in '08 and I was hooked. Sold all my motorcycles since then and have a Yamaha T-Max as my main ride, the Agility for short errands. When one becomes enlightened enough to not give a rat's ass what others think about what you ride, it becomes apparent how much fun, comfortable and practical these scooters really are. As an added bonus, the T-Max runs through the twisties faster than any motorcycle I have ever owned and is an absolute hoot to ride.
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  5. SteveZTV

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    You will look back on the move to the scoot as "why didn't I do this sooner?"

    Always enjoyed my motorcycles, including the HD Sportster 1200 that was traded in for a Yamaha Majesty, Thought the Majesty was great, but two years later traded that in (nostalgia moment) for a Yamaha 650 Classic (had one years ago). After one year that bike was traded in (two weeks ago) for a Yamaha TMAX. So, back on a scoot again, but man alive, what a scoot!

    There's a lot to be said for being "shift-less" again...
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  6. brian72

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  7. DudeClone

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    hi brian i have several questions for you. i have been thinking about making a thread in one of the MC forums here, but this thread and your topic would seem good enough

    so please bear with me a little :)

    i am mid 40's and only began riding scooters 18 months ago after NEVER riding anything two wheeled and gas powered ever. i ride a 125cc and a 150cc, 12in and 10in wheels, respectively. so, small scooters

    but i will need to make the jump to something freeway / highway capable this year. and i am thinking "do i NEED a motorcycle?" i have never rode a motorcycle and would have to "learn" riding again, so to speak. what with the shifting and controls and what not

    my main question for you (and others with experience with scoots and cycles) is am i MISSING something valuable about riding by being "scooter only?" being a newbie i did not realize such a BIG divide existed among motorcycle / scooter riding perspectives especially among the bigger bikes like the Burgman. but they must exist for a reason other then design and aesthetics, right?

    the one thing i figure most is something you or another stated earlier? and that is performance / sensation of speed. it is something i am interested in, but not if it just wears off after awhile. but that is the only real difference i can tell between a cycle and a big scoot

    i ask because i will be taking MSF this year before i buy another bike. a bigger bike. i can take the course on one of their cycles and learn to operate a MC so i can consider one, or i can take it on my scooter and just resolve to being a scooter rider all my life. which if fine with me but idk what i am missing! if anything?

    ignorance is bliss, right? i figure i can just get an automatic motorcycle if i ever want to ride a MC. but still....

    thanks!
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  8. brian72

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    The only simple way I could answer you question is to ask you - Do you like muscle cars? Do you identify yourself by what you drive or ride?

    Depending on your choice motorcycles are a bit like muscle cars or sport cars with regard to acceleration and thrill. Many people equate (if only in small part) self worth with their possessions.

    I've always admired those who choose to blaze their own trail or choose their own path.

    If you enjoy riding what you ride, that's great. If you want to try something new, well that's great too.

    Motorcycles are not too hard to ride, levers, shifters and brakes come pretty quickly. Nothing to fear if you educate yourself.

    Just keep in mind that something drew you to your current ride. If your desire changes over time that's natural I suppose. Just be sure that you want to make the change for yourself. Don't worry about impressing anyone else.

    Hey, your questions forced me to answer some of my own.:thumb Thanks.
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  9. btcn

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    Hell man I think its kind of good at least knowing how to ride MCs even if you don't got one. I mean hell maybe someday you's gonna get into something like Dual Sports, etc who knows. Just good to know I reckon but thats my opinion.

    I'll give you a little insite into bikes, try and bar with me or at least skim thru I know its long!

    But, there is a BIG difference between a MC and a big Scoot like a Burgy even. The 400+ cc scoots are more like a MC but theres still differences. Like for me, theres NOTHING like a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. I've loved them ever since I was little my dad has one I'm saving for one by the end of this summer. Theres nothin like a V-Twin IMHO. That sound, cool unique idle, beutiful chrome, low seat, comfort, bigger inch models have an actual "Overdrive" ratio allowing them to sound cool in the highway not like a 2 stroke weed wacker like most other bikes at 75 MPH actual speed, that rumbling feel and sound, low end torque, etc I could go on all day. Even a Metric Cruiser is great. But still nothing replaces a Harley, theres more to it than must a motorcycle, if your an actual biker theres a culture to it and a special feel to them. BUT, cruisers are NOT for everybody of course. They are usually very heavy, and performance standards can be compared to most big inch V-Twin lawnmowers. The V-Star 950 only puts out 44 HP for example, and 1,600 cc H-Ds only around 66 HP. But lots of low end torque, at similar RPMs to a diesel school bus it's torque spikes. Makes it feel way faster than they actually is. But its useful power. On a Crotch rocket you cannot even get into the powerband at legal roadspeeds. V-Twins are SORT of like the V-8 of bikes, aside from actually being less powerful, but you know the sound feel etc.


    Crotch Rockets [SportBikes] they's fast. Nothing more to it. After riding one, any other vehicle will feel like a lawn mower with a restricted muffler. I think there neat and man its quite a fuckin rush. [WARNING, even normal people can quickly become adrenilin junkies on any Sport Bike over 500 cc]. I put a few miles on one, never had one but tried bard my dad's Gixxer 1000 one weekend. And let me tell you its downright scary anywhere near the powerband. You will quickly get a ticket, and probably arrested for reckless driving [watch out same as DUI charge basically for more than 20 MPH over limit in city and 30 MPH over on freeways can get you 90 days in jail on 1st offense]. I found myself at 65 in a 40 without trying at all. The bike was simply to fast for the street. Wheelies are reckless driving BTW. And you have to be careful not to wheelie when you'd near the powerband in ANY gear. Also, poor MPG on these. I got about 30 MPG a little pushing but not that much. Not practicle, and very uncomfortable. Not quite as uncomfortable as you may expect, but I did about 100 miles or so maybe more and you've about had it. You CAN go a decent distance but not enjoyably. Also position is unnatural and just not enjoyable for cruising. BUT, if you have a need for speed and handling look for a R6 or something why any more?

    Then theres bikes inbetween. Like Adventure bikes, Dual Sports, etc.

    Then, theres another favorate of mine. Japanese Classics. Think 70s-80s CB650, V65 Magna, etc. I love old Jap bikes, there cheap, if taken care of reliable as a Toyota Camry, a cool classic look to them, simple, and great bikes. I grew up on these bikes. I have an 85 Shadow 700, it wasn't taken so grate care of by an idiot PO. It took some work to get it on the road, had some issues here and there, but now its running like a dream. Paid $450 for it as a project maybe $400 into it its not bad. Not the purdyst bike, but good bike. These bikes are PERFECT to lern to wrench on. There actually affordable too. A good bike with a simple problem like carbs as the problem you can fix can be had cheap on CL, around $500. This is what I'd recommend for you.


    Just a simple bike. For doing the freeway, commuting its reliable, simple, cheap, and pracical. See how you like it, then decide if you want to have both, or just a bigger scooter.


    How do bikes compare with scoots? Well for me I love Cruisers. But just as a generalization, I'd say it depends. Bikes are cheaper [for the bigger ones], faster [for there cc class], and the manuals better and worse depending on personal taste. Scoots obviously have way better storage. The smaller tires are nice in the city for agility. But on the Interstate and backroads, big tires are the way to go but some scoots have bigger tires than others. Bikes usually have better suspension but not necessarly like vs a Burgman. Scooters usually have a lower center of gravity [due to the low mounted engine of course]. Scooters have better leg protection usually [trust me its nice having that, espically in the rain and winter and when rocks hit your legs at 80 MPH]. Scooters are usually quieter and have a drone sound vs a deeper nice sound with bikes. I could go on all day just think about his.

    I know this was long and tooo basic but just letting you know my impressions on the 2 main bikes. And find what you want. Try both. You may love both or just scoots. But that a way you ain't got no regreats.


    Good luck let us know what your thinking or decide!
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  10. alphaBETAdog

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    I think you would be missing something if you didn't stay with a scooter! If you need to ride the freeways, get a Burgman or Scarabeo 500 or such. I think you would be safer too with not having to learn to shift, clutch, and relearning to brake. You know the saying; "hard to teach an old dog new tricks". Not to say you are old, but you know what I mean as it is harder to learn new skills and make them instictive when you get older. Your're at an advantage; you don't have to overcome that rediculous "image" obstacle that former motorcyclist do once they become enlightened!
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  11. brian72

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    Just to be clear about that "image" thing. You're right.
    Though that image tag can be placed upon you by others.
    Having a reputation as a traveling biker - though I always viewed myself as a motorcycle rider - I find myself now having to explain or educate others about scooters. Eventhough I have no desire or obligation to do so.
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  12. DudeClone

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    hello. just want to thank all three of you gentlemen for your thoughtful responses to my question on the previous page. much appreciated....

    ....carry on!
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  13. vortexau

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    Just to show how completely even the Burgman AN400 (as a 400cc powered conveyance) meshes into the world of motorcycling . . . . . . consider the topic of Burgman Sidecar combinations!

    Many modern motorcycles need additional frame components when the owner chooses to add on a sidecar. This is because the engine can be mounted to undertake some functions traditionally provided by a full-cradle frame; that of of tying the front end to the back end.

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    Subframe components built to assist mounting a sidecar to a BMW K100. This BMW uses its engine as a stressed member.


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    AN400 frame

    Taking in how Suzuki puts their Burgmans togather ---- a modern full-cradle frame! So a maxi-scooter like this has all the structural requirements to take on the addition of a sidecar! No sub-frame needed, like current sports-type motorcycles. Just the problem of having to find locations to run the attachments through the body-panels.

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    A modern 400cc Four-stroke single cylinder engine is quite a good match to powering a Sidecar combination. The Brits rode hundreds of outfits with 500cc Four-stroke singles in the thirties, forties, and fifties.

    The scooter's CVT solves one niggle experienced with most motorcycle combinations - the swing forward of the sidecar when the clutch is closed during gear changes under acceleration! With no clutch there's no interruptions to the power delivery.
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  14. brian72

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    Here are some pics and a video on the Burgman. Finally got around to capturing her on film.

    I sold this -
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    To buy this -
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    And here is a video link with the new Nelson Rigg saddlebags installed.
    http://youtu.be/m_ZP1IR41zw

    Now if the weather breaks tomorrow it's off I go!
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  15. btcn

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    Man that was a purdy Shadow! 750 right? I got me the 700 cc 85 verson love the bike.

    But on the bright side, I here them new 750 Shadows are quite underpowered, due to trying to copy Harley's low end torque curve, BUT with only 750 cc that doesn't work out so well!:lol3 Only like in the 40s in HP vs 62 HP on the old Shaders.

    The Burgman will maybe have less power, but not buy a longshot. And y'all can always buy a nother bike if you regrate it and a bigger one like 1100 cc or an old 80s Shadow they's cheap.

    But I don't think you's really gonna be a regreattin this here move.
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  16. brian72

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    I've already owned the Shadow 1100, Buell Lightning and many, many more. I understand power, torque and speed well enough. The only thing the Burgman doesn't do as well as my previous motorcycles is travel at ten miles per hour over the highway speed limit comfortably. That being said. Traveling ten MPH comfortably on the highway is my least favorite riding activity.

    So far so fun.
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  17. DudeClone

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    scoot looks nice!. i like the vid. the saddlebags look great. i have a little story....

    i was showing a couple neighbors friend's my scooter and they knew crap about them. or motorcycles. but they like them and think they are a little interesting as many people do. so i am outside on my laptop and am trying to explain the difference between the two, and remember the pic above. so i say 'look at this,' and click on here. i scroll down and say "this guy sold this," and showed them the bike

    they were like "wow thats nice! its really cool, etc" and i say 'ok thats a motorcycle. he sold it and got this.' and i revealed the Burgman to them.

    their eyes widened. "thats awesome! he got that!? aw thats even better!"

    or something to that effect. thats the gist of it. they actually did like the Burgman better going on looks. which surprised me tbh. but i think that might be a more common opinion then many may think among non riding people. folks actually do like scooters
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  18. brian72

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    Cool. Thanks for sharing the feedback on the two.
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  19. InfernoST

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    The 07+ 400's have no problem with 10mph over the limit.
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  20. brian72

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    Please let me clarify. I'm refering to my opinion of comfortable. Which means when you're traveling at 75MPH you have enough throttle and HP to get up to 95MPH quickly.

    It would be an unrealistic expectation of 400 unmodified CC's to achieve that. I'm not saying the Burgman 400 doesn't cruise right along at 10 over highway speed limits and if your +07 can get from 75 to 95 quickly I stand corrected.

    I was generalizing about the bike. My overal opinion thus far is that it does everything I like to do most, best. It does everything I like to do least, least best.

    IMHO.
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