What is this white stuff on my F800GS?

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  1. EnderTheX

    EnderTheX Dirt Rider

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    Will someone please help me understand what this white stuff is on my bike?

    Here is what I know:
    1. This has been here for a while, doesn't rub off with finger (that's how i clean my bike :lol3)
    2. There does not appear to be white stuff on the coolant hoses close to the spot.
    2. Oil is full and normal looking (not milky)
    3. Bike has been running great... there might be some valve noise... 26.5k hard miles, done about every recall/service bulletin/repair you can think of.

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  2. imnsane

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    I think you're having too many night time fantasies.....
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  3. Motorfiets

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    coming outta the weep hole for the water pump

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  4. EnderTheX

    EnderTheX Dirt Rider

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    Hmmm... does this mean my coolant is bad? Does it mean the bike overheated (it was a hot summer)? Does this mean I don't clean my bike often enough....? Is there something I should be concerned about or do?
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  5. Motorfiets

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    is your coolant low?

    pull the bottom coolant line off down by the oil filter left side of the motor and see if it's nasty also.
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  6. Flashdog

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    On most water pumps a small leak at the weep hole indicates a bad seal. I'd say it's time to rebuild the waterpump.
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  7. BcDano

    BcDano One Lucky Dude

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    I would check the torque on the water pump bolts. I had a dealer do a flush and they didn't torque one down properly and it came loose and it leaked.

    If not then the seal would be my next guess.
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  8. JRWooden

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    "They all do that" .... :lol3

    Sorry ... couldn't resist....

    Mine when new had some oil or melted assembly lube leak out of the weep hole,
    then later started leaking coolant on hot days in stop-go traffic.

    Dealer finally replaced pump under warranty and it was a redesigned part....

    If not under warranty, the pump can be disassembled, and there are a couple of o-rings in there that might be causing the issue.

    See: http://f800riders.org/forum/showthread.php/21436-Oil-seepage-from-weep-hole-on-water-pump

    Also, the radiator does not ALWAYS refill its self from the overflow bottle when it gets low.
    I would check the coolant level at the radiator by first pinching off the tubing/line that goes from the overflow bottle to the radiator, and then taking the cap off (bike cold), and see how low you are....
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  9. EnderTheX

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    Ha! If I had a dime for every time my dealer has said "they all do that" I could buy a candy bar.

    I guess I will have to check the coolant system... apparently I need to remove the right side fairing to even access the cap :huh

    From reading that thread you quoted and the other comments on this thread it seems like this is coolant and the seals on the water side of the pump need to be replaced... Obviously my bike is conveniently out of warranty so I will try to find the seals and do it myself.

    Has anyone has luck ordering just the o-rings for the water pump? Can someone recommend a source for the fancy required nitrite free coolant? :D
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  10. JRWooden

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    I've got the F658GS and was able to remove the cap without removing the fairing, with some dexterity and a few cuss words ...... It might be harder on the F800GS with slightly larger radiator...

    I called up Prestone and asked, and they told me (FWIW) that all of their antifreeze was nitrite free,
    so that's what I used....

    I did not get to see my pump when it was taken apart, but the mechanic remarked that he thought new o-rings would have fixed it, but since they had the pump, and so-on they went ahead and used it...

    that's about all I got ... :1drink
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  11. Reaver

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    Actually.........all the parallel twins do at first. S, ST, R, GS :evil After every PDI ride of the F's I had to wipe down the coolant from the weep hole. It was coming from the dynamic seals and went away by the first inspection after the seals had broken in.

    The air space between the two o rings 11 is no mans land. If oil gets by the inside o ring it'll drip out of the weep hole. If coolant gets by the outer o ring AND/OR the dynamic seal, it'll weep out the same hole. Prob is, if it's coolant it MAY be just the o ring, or MAY be the dynamic seals. Gambling man?

    Just to add complexity, the early bikes had metal drive gears on the engine and pump and this was later changed to plastic. Can't have both, can't get the metal geared pump anymore so make sure you use the same material gears, swapping from your old pump if nec.

    I didn't read the threads in F8org where JrWoody also stalks so this may be old news. :1drink

    Oh, and that Dealer bought whatever coolant from the local "outlet" and didn't use BMW rebranded expensive crap (the blue stuff).
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  12. Reaver

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    And another thing...........

    It's white cause it got cooked on the hot engine. That residue deposit is what's left after it's boiled off the liquids. Bet your coolant looks fine in the rad although maybe low.
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  13. EnderTheX

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    This is something I've been tossing around in my head... I don't really know how long it's taken to leak out like that... and I do want to check the coolant, hopefully it's fine as you say just a bit low. So far the bike has been cooling fine, but it is cold outside.

    I wonder if I can get away with cleaning it up really well, topping off the coolant and then keeping an eye on it...

    If I do end up fixing it I may do a picture by picture replacement, it would be sweet if someone has done this already and has pics... I know the dealer mechanics are reluctant to even show me parts that have been replaced under warranty!
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  14. moe.ron

    moe.ron Pig. Can. Fly.

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    Never saw any of that white stuff come out of my weep hole, on the bike that is. Mine was green the one time it did it, and stayed green even after being cooked on. On the bike that is...
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    That's cause you had the inferior green stuff and not the Uber Blue! :thumb

    Last time I had green stuff in my weep hole I used penicillin to fix it.
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  16. JRWooden

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    Yeah ... they ALL do that .... see that's what I said ... :rofl

    You can't read ALL my old threads... you don't have time :1drink

    For a while at least, the replacement water pumps were coming with both a plastic and a metal gear so they could be matched to the existing gear material on the camshaft ... not sure if they still do that.... it would be a "revenue enhancer" for the dealership if they didn't ............

    Uber-Blue ... the BMW dealer has it for about $40 / gallon ... it's great ... the blue color comes from the dissolved pharmaceuticals that are in it ... that's why you have to stay away from the green crap Reaver uses ....

    It's all good... I have a good supply of blue cool-aid, it comes in a 25.4 oz (750 ml) cans imported from down under............ :freaky but It's only for human cooling systems....
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  17. Reaver

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    The "R" bikes leak coolant real bad but no one seems to notice. :rofl
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  18. EnderTheX

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    OK... so I took off the panels, clamped the hose shut and opened the radiator cap. To my surprise there was coolant all the way to the top! :eek1

    My reservoir was at the low side so I topped it off and I am trying to put on the right side panel again...

    For the life of me I can't get the damn screw in that goes through the beak, side panel and air dam... :baldy

    :becca Does anyone have any tips on this screw? I hate it...


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    moe.ron Pig. Can. Fly.

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