What makes the R1200R such a poor seller?

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Snapping Twig, May 9, 2012.

  1. d2wing

    d2wing Been here awhile

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    Most of the guys I know that buy BMW are serious about riding and put lots of miles on. They tend to prefer touring bikes with bags and and a fairing with good reason. The R1200r is a nice bike but I don't see a big market for it. Naked bike riders tend to buy cheaper, lighter bikes. More bang for the buck. Guy that have the bucks generally want all the bells and whistles. There are good deals on them if you can find them and they are a very good all around bike.
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  2. ikonoklass

    ikonoklass Kountersteering Krew

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    I demoed the R1200ST and thought it was awesome. Thank God the market was there to tell me what a dumbass I was! :rofl
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  3. basstodave

    basstodave Been here awhile

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    $17000 or more OTD . Is that reason enough not to buy a naked bike? I can buy a new Triumph Tiger 800 and have enough left over to buy a one or two year old light, fast and economical Japanese inline 4 or twin to beat around the city on.
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  4. RonkoRider

    RonkoRider Wrong Island, NY

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    They tried that with the R1200C in the James Bond Movie

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    It was gone in what 3 years due to poor sales.
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  5. bobw

    bobw Harden the phuck up

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    wow grainbelt , You do have many more posts than me so I will try to learn from you how to better enjoy my hobby of the last 47 years. BTW, would you give me some $, my bike doesn't need anything right now, but my next one may need a new seat or something and I wouldn't want you to be worried that I couldn't afford to install a proper one you would approve of.

    Cheers
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  6. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    Lighten up, francis; just some light-hearted ribbing. :D

    My somewhat serious answer is that the F800 series took over the naked spot in the lineup and by comparison the R12R is heavy and expensive.

    The above comment about Triumph's presence is spot on; not only the tiger, but the Bonnie for the more relaxed riders.
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  7. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Long timer

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    the price.

    Compare what you get on an FJR or Concours in that price range. Then there's the numerous reliability issues BMW has had over the last 20 years or so...
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  8. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    That's a great looking bike. Saw one at the local dealership in the black / stripe combo and it stopped me in my tracks.

    IMHO, the R1200R is the unsung hero of the BMW lineup. It's a good all-rounder with plenty of oomph for the real world. If I didn't have an S2R 1000 in the garage, it'd be an R1200R.

    Why doesn't it sell? Perception. It's not as dead sexy as Italians, but it works far far better (and less fussy). It's also 'percieved' as more expensive, but in reality it's less costly in total ownership compared to others in its class.
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  9. janner

    janner Been here awhile

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    An ex R1200R owner. Its a great looking bike, light and nimble. I did a couple of long trips (600 mile days) . Long days in the saddle would give me very painful knee cramps, I just couldn't get comfortable. One reason I went to a GS.

    I miss her though.
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  10. 10/10ths

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  11. Abu Sayeret

    Abu Sayeret n00b

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    I learned to ride just before the Army sent me to Egypt so I had to put buying a motorbike on hold. I have not decided exactly what I will get when I return home to help me become more proficient at riding, but if that was not at issue my short list of dead sexy bikes would be the R12R or the Moto Guzzi Griso 8V SE.
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  12. Snapping Twig

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    Didn't realize it was such a rehashed topic. This model is 2 years old in its current incarnation.

    Weight-wise, it's 437 pounds w/o fuel. Is that heavy? I thought that was light.

    Well, one way or the other, it's the bike I chose for better or worse. I was very excited to get it and in my enthusiasm I was unable to understand others lack of it.

    It does all I ask of it, short or long trips, highway or twisties, and it is light and nimble, stable and powerful.

    The right windscreen and some handguards, the tank and cylinder heads give plenty of protection, at least IMO.

    I tend to believe it has more to do with the fact that it is not a specialist, like the GS or the RT. That and the fact that it's not perceived as sexy, especially when compared to an inline three or four cylinder sport touring bike.

    Not so expensive either. A full size HD would have cost more and given me way less, but that's no revelation.

    Truth be told, I sat on a 2010 version in a showroom two years back and it fit me so well that I was sold on the spot and saved up ever since. Lower foot pegs would be nice, but I'll put some miles on it before I do that, give it a real assessment first. I put the Wonderlich rear view mirror extenders on it this evening, can't wait to check 'em out tomorrow on the road.
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  13. Machin-gineer

    Machin-gineer n00b

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    Just read an MCN article comparing the R, Aprillia Tuono, and MV Brutale... from 2007. Cracked me right up. They thought the R was a better bike, but didn't "arouse their passion". Therein lies the problem. My wife traded her 2008 Ducati S2R 1000 for an 07 R. She hasn't stopped raving about it yet. Her comments on the Duc, "I love the way it looks, but it's a miserable bike to ride". After watching her struggle with it, we checked out a used R. She's 5'10" and is a perfect fit. In the last 3 months, I have seen her riding skills and confidence increase more than the 3 years she had the "lusty Italian". Most people want a motorcycle for the lifestyle (H-D, Ducati, sport bikes, and yes, BMWs). An R, on the other hand, seems to go home with people who just want to ride the piss out of it. Full disclosure: I have an 07 GS. This is my fourth boxer, and will be with me for a long time. I put 43,000 miles on my 04 GSA in 2 years, traded it for an RT (before the wife got her license), and regretted that decision. I'm 6'5", so I got the GS because it fits, and it's perfect for my riding style. I think of it as an R on stilts. No, I don't think I'm going to be McQueen, or the fat guy with the TV series. :evil Boxers (and Hex heads in particular) just answer all the right questions for me. Why does the R not sell? The same reason you find people posting questions on this forum about lowering a GS...
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  14. opmike

    opmike Choosing to be here.

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    A HD bagger isn't exactly an inexpensive motorcycle, and setting aside the price of entry, those bikes don't really compete with each other. So yes, it's less expensive than a Road King, but that doesn't make it inexpensive by any stretch.
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  15. flaadvandmtbrider

    flaadvandmtbrider Been here awhile

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    Too expensive new, a great bargain used.
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  16. ka5ysy

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    The biggest problem with the RR is that when you add windscreen, bags, and other farkles, you have a price point that is the RT. I know, having owned the release day bike of the 2007 model RR, one of only two in Louisiana in November 2006. It ended up looking like this with 26,000 fun miles:

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    Then one day, while it was in the shop for its 24000 mile service, I started riding a demo RT with all of 2 miles on the odometer, and ended up putting 2300 of the 2500 demo miles on it, including the first 350 miles of break-in which I did in the two days the RR was in service, then bought the thing:

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    So now, if anybody wants a great RR at a good price, it is at BMW Motorcycles of Baton Rouge looking like this:

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    In all, the RR is a fun, quick bike that is very good for a lot of different uses. After doing a lot of riding on the RT, I came to the conclusion that, for my kind of riding, the RT is a better choice at this point. As great as the RR was, the RT is better in most all respects.

    There are a lot of discussion threads discussing the low weight vs. the RT which is true: It is about 80 pounds lighter. There are also a lot of comments about the RT being top heavy and hard to maneuver at low speed, which I do not find to be true. The RT is actually very nimble, easy to maneuver at low speed, and a joy at high speed and in the twisties, easily as good as the RR with much better wind protection. There is a reason the RT-P version is such a popular police motorcycle worldwide

    There are also a number of comments that the RT is a hot bike to ride in southern climates. I have been riding in mid 90's temps and do not find it to be that bad, as there is sufficient wind flow to keep you cool with appropriate riding gear. It is not in the same league with the naked RR with its open to the air riding position, but it is comfortable for me even in the high heat and humidity of south Louisiana. When the rain starts, run the windscreen up and you do not look like a drowned rat when you arrive somewhere.

    I would definitely purchase another RR if I had multiple bike syndrome, but the 2011 RT will be a long term keeper for me.
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  17. tommyid1

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    It doesn't sell well because Ducati sells the monster and triumph sells the speed an street triple
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  18. scrannel

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    You cannot successfully market a "weird" looking bike in the US. We are strictly a missionary-position country. When the Ducati 999 was introduced church attendance skyrocketed.
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  19. bjorn240

    bjorn240 Good with a map!

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    I would fall squarely in the demographic for this bike - mid-thirties, over the sport bike phase, good income etc.

    HELLO!???! It's $16,000 for a naked. Sorry, ain't no way in hell that's going to happen. For four grand more I can have a K1300S HP. For three grand more I can have a R1200 Rallye or whatever it's called. For $14,500 less, I can get a Nighthawk 750...
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  20. Uglyprimate

    Uglyprimate UglyPirate

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    It doesn't sell well for the same reason the ugly girl with the leg braces and the midget arms doesn't get asked to the prom.

    She may be a very comfortable ride and one hell of a lot of fun once you get to know her, but DAMN, how do you get past the goofy looks and high cost of maintenance?
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