What should Suzuki update on the DR650?

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Harry Potter, Dec 27, 2013.

  1. Harry Potter

    Harry Potter Been here awhile

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    A lot of riders keep suggesting that the DR650 is due for an update. As a prospective buyer the only thing I know I would like to see is at least a 400 watt alternator. I need the ability to run heated gear and lot of auxiliary light and the current wattage seems a little low. Is there anything else you would suggest to Suzuki to update?
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  2. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice Fights for old DC

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    4.5 gallon fuel tank. So 1.1 gallons of fuel.
    lThat is all. :lol3

    I've actually never rode one so as far as I'm concerned the suspension is wonderful and the seat is fine. :rofl

    The key here is if higher higher is looking at sales numbers and looking to up grade. I doubt they are for here in the U.S. market.
    The intial cost on research and engineering back in the mid 90s to make the bike is not even something for finance to worry about for over 15 years, and the cost for production and parts over the years has got to me low. No need for marketing either.
    They increase the MSRP every year.
    2012: $5999
    2013: $6399
    2014: $6499

    Not a gold mine, but maybe a coal mine from back in the 1950s over in Appalachia.

    The KLR 2014 New Edition just came out and that was a suprise, so maybe the DR will get a few changes here in 2014.:D
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  3. wvdirtbiker

    wvdirtbiker MILES2GO

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    How about fuel injection and a six speed.
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  4. Ocky

    Ocky Adventurer

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    That's what all of the Japanese dualies need.

    At least EFI, 6 speed might not be needed depending on the motors performance post update but it obviously would be very beneficial too.
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  5. Navin

    Navin Long timer

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    Modern ergos. Basically copy a 690 in bar/seat/pegs. They could do more with 500cc water cooled and injected, lighter, smaller, better packaging. 6 WR gears. DRZ500R. 50 HP, tank options from 3 to 6g.
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  6. danptobin

    danptobin Been here awhile

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    Fuel injection and a larger gas tank would be the most usefull changes. Maybe an updated shock and forks. An increase in alternator output for those who want to run heated grips and GPS. Make it available in blue or yellow again
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  7. Adanac rider

    Adanac rider The Great Gazoo

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    I would like to see Suspension like the Dr-350 had, larger tank and larger stator, with optional luggage racks and a small fairing.Changing the motor would warrant some government hurdles and the after market can supply more power.I love mine except for the suspension.:clapWhats out there for aircooled F.I. thumper motors?
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  8. Foot dragger

    Foot dragger singletracker

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    A 6 speed? The DR has a wide spread of gears as is. Cruises easily at 70mph and has a low enough low gear to get around with.

    Real suspension is what it needs,and a seat that is good for more then 20 minutes.
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  9. Kommando

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    If/When they update anything, I'd hope for backwards parts compatibility with the current model.

    'Not a whole lot that needs changing badly enough to warrant the likely cost increase. Most of it can be done easily by an owner.

    Optional spring rates would be nice.

    A color other than grey would be nice too, although the grey has grown on me.

    A longer un-stepped seat with a wide and concave rear section would be good for hauling a passenger better. Keep the narrow front.

    Loc-Tite and longer NSU screws.

    A 300K-mile oilpump gear.

    Sealed bearings, with waterproof synthetic grease in them.

    LED-compatible flasher.

    MOSFET reg/rect.

    Heatproof pickup coil.

    An optional full-length skid with ears.

    Grippier passenger pegs that protrude further.

    Go back to the DR250 tail/brake light. (DOT issue?)

    A wide-ratio 6spd would be beautiful. It's one of the few things on the DR that the aftermarket doesn't/can't do cheaper. The current wide-ratio 5spd already does pretty well with 14/41 or 15/44 sprockets though, so that might not be worth the cost, although a totally-new 6spd design might completely eliminate any 3rd gear concerns.

    Could they enlarge the valves, upgrade the cam, smooth the header-weld, and bump the compression a point without much added cost, requiring premium fuel, or failing emissions? That could give a nice bump in power and help it pull harder in the upper revs.

    Adjustable suspension damping would be nice, to include rebound in the shock. The aftermarket probably already does it cheaper and better though. I wouldn't want to lose the adjustable-height feature.

    Many people run heated gear just fine on a DR. If you're really concerned, upgrade to a 250W stator, swap in a MOSFET reg/rect, and swap the bulbs that are always on when the bike is on (tail/brake, dash illumination, license illumination, and headlight) to LEDs and/or HID. Use LED fog/driving lights. I have a pair of single-CREE lights on my out-west DR that work fine and use 5W per light. I got them on Ebay.
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  10. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    Hopefully they won't update it like Kawasaki did with the KLR in '08.
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  11. Canuman

    Canuman Crusty & Unobliging

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    18" rear.
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  12. Kommando

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    I could do without the fuel injection. The BST40 carb and the sensor-less non-EFI electrical system is pretty simple to troubleshoot and work on with just the OEM toolkit and a multimeter, in the garage or in BFE. I didn't even have to remove the carb to change jetting. I just rotated it in the rubber boots. I doubt that the EPA would let them get away with a pumper flat-slide carb.

    A wide-ratio 6spd would be nice, but it's not really necessary. Run 15/44 sprockets. The bike will run dirt and slab fine if the carbing is decent.
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  13. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    That could be nice. I see a lot of rear knobbies I'd like to try, then I find out they only come in 18" sizes.
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  14. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    The stricter EPA crap will pretty much insure that a new design will have to have FI and the gearing will probably suck as well for the same reasons.
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    buddoggin Been here awhile

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    What it needs is "Bold New Graphics"
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    Which ever Japanese manufacture that can re-due their 650 dual sport first will take the led with a bike that everyone wants. Be it the, DR 650, KLR 650, or the XR650L Were talking, 6-speed trans, fuel injection, large fuel tank 6.0 gals., windshield, comfort seat, only the KLR 650 offers some of these features. Maybe Yamaha could jump in there with a WR650R, wouldn't that be some bike. Who will take the led in the future, I would put my money on the 650 Honda to change first, with the success of the new CRF250L the CRF650L would be the next step up.

    John
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  17. Carter Pewterschmidt

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    Because people love to think more is better. Even thought every professional motorcycle tester in every magazine, plus anyone who races them, seem to agree that the 5 speed is fine.
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  18. Canuman

    Canuman Crusty & Unobliging

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    I hadn't lusted for a DR650 much until this summer, as I already have an A-model KLR, which is a pretty similar machine. (Yes, I know that about 6 million people will now chime in that the DR is better off-road, and all that. It's been discussed to hell. Also, I know the KTM guys pretty much consider anything that ain't orange a boat anchor, so we can consider that covered also.)

    I really like the bike, particularly as I think the "new" KLR was in many ways a step in the wrong direction for what I want in this sort of bike.

    As I said before, I'd like to see an 18" wheel on the rear. The tire choices are so much better for 18" wheels.

    I'd like to see a six-speed. I know that Suzuki can produce a great six speed. My first six speed was a GS400, and the tranny was remarkably good. My DL650 had one of the nicest shifting six-speeds I've ever ridden. If Yamaha could stick a six on the XT225, there's little solid cost argument against it.

    Fool Infection? I don't think it needs it, although I had no problems with the FI on the DL. However, both weight and complexity argue against it in my book. The sucker smogs now. I don't see how altering the gearing would change that.

    As to a larger tank, the dual-sports I have all have aftermarket plastic tanks anyway. I tend to drop things, and plastic is so much more forgiving. I usually change bars, mirrors, grips, seats, pegs and the like to my tastes.

    There's nothing wrong with the seat that a Seat Concepts kit won't fix. Compared to the original seat on my DRZ, the thing's a sofa.

    It would be nice if they offered a factory peg lowering kit standard. One of the things that prompted my decision to buy my KLR in the first place was that the ergos felt cramped for my big frame. I know that this can be altered by changing bars, seat height, and a bunch of other little things. I would like it to be a little closer to a fit out of the box. They accommodate the inseam-challenged, why not help the big guys out a little?

    I think that what appeals about the DR is the overall simplicity. There's still a place for a non-complicated, air/oil cooled dual-sport. I realize it's not the best performer, not the fastest, and all that. It still has its place.
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  19. Navin

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    I'm sure many could manage with a well spaced 4 speed, even 3. Doug Henry raced the YZf400 in SX with what, 2 operating gears? No more than 3, the 4th was blocked out and plastic to fit the rules as I recall. Do you want a 3 gears cause a race bike had 3? :evil


    6 gears in a WR trans, like the TE610/630, is awesome. They could simply copy those ratios and it would be a better bike with only that.
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  20. sloMark

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    ...or Yamaha just give us their Tenere 660 :ear.
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