What the hell? or 70+mph bike vs Barbed Wire Fence (updated with bike pics)

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by trc.rhubarb, Nov 22, 2016.

  1. mikegc

    mikegc Long timer

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    As Major Dick Winters used to say, "Hang tough." You're healing well. I know it's boring as hell but you'll be better for it.

    Mike
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  2. just jeff

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    Thanks for the update. As a Canadian I am used to waiting. Waiting in line, waiting for parts to come in, waiting for the long, dark winter to end....Your type of waiting, waiting to heal is especially trying on the patients!! Trying to focus on other things can help the time go by. Being restricted by limited physical activity is an additional factor. Maybe you could take up learning a language or cooking or some other skill you have not previously considered. It may help pass the time and be a benefit down the road.
    Best Regards....Jeff
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  3. kr1

    kr1 Just the right amount of evil.

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    If the depression starts to get too bad, like maybe now, talk to your doctor. Your not the first to have depression because of something like this and it is treatable. As things improve, you will probably not need anymore help but getting some now could make a world of difference.

    KR
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  4. trc.rhubarb

    trc.rhubarb ZoomSplat!

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    Thanks, I'm not that bad and hope to not get there. Mostly just woe is me shit, the kind of stuff Rule #5 takes care of when I eventually remind myself.
    I made it into the office today after a doctor's appointment and it was good to see more people and socialize a bit. I meant to be there for 2h but ended up 4.5
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  5. BuckeyeDoug

    BuckeyeDoug Not a Pirate

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    TRC wrote: If it has collapsed, then it's one of the two surgeries and I'm really hesitant to let them fuse my vertebrae and even more resistant to the insertion of rods and or screwed in plates.

    So glad to see you are alive, but troubling to see the slow recovery. Keep up the good work and keep us posted.

    I had L4/L5/S1 fusion in 2006 at age 42. It took days to recover from round of golf, softball game, or any exercise. Sneeze/cough would floor me, and a 15 min fetal tuck stretch was required every morning just to get out of bed. Ends up it was a degenerative bone defect with 25% L5 displacement forward and 15 degree forward tilt pinching L5/S1 disk almost in half. Scared Mom by saying "guess that dirt bike you bought me in HS wasn't such a good idea". I'm sure it didn't help, but not root cause, and growing beer gut added pressure. Anyways, now 6 screws and 2 rods form railroad tracks down to my crack. And they made me walk the next day after surgery (one step took 10 minutes and I was spent, but I did it). Recovery was slow for a week, then got noticeably better daily, with physical therapy starting month 4. It was a year before I did anything stupid (instinctively jumped off a swamp buggy 6' down to chase a small hog; "OH-SHIT in midair, but hit, rolled, jumped up, and started pursuit pain free!). Zero limitations, can still (at a fat 53) touch my toes, run, jump, ride motorcycles (street and dirt), golf, anything. A little numbness starts in my right thigh if I stand motionless too long, probably from scar tissue, but sitting/squatting for 5 mins makes it good for another 30-40 mins. Small price to pay to get a normal life back without pain. So don't be afraid of all the horror stories. Do your homework. Research the Surgeon and procedures, and go into the consultation knowing the terminology and have legit questions/concerns. Impress him/her and show you are serious. Maybe get your family Dr give the surgeon a call for an easier feeling and second opinion.

    PSA: What I attribute some of my successful recovery to: my Surgeon said "In his opinion, smoking impedes bone growth, and although no proof in trials exist, most of his pain management patients were smokers who didn't heal properly". I don't smoke, so no big deal. But I have 2 friends who had similar procedures, and they couldn't stop smoking, and they are still suffering after repeat surgeries. End of PSA.

    Post-surgery if you go that route: by all means, DON'T DO A DAMN THING that may cause problems for 6-8 weeks (just like it was a broken leg or arm). Don't lift a 2L bottle of soda. Don't twist or reach for upper shelves. Limited alcohol, as it reduces pain and has been known to cause stupidity! It's too easy to feel good and go one step too far, and pop goes the fusion. I know it is a huge issue with today's insurance bartering. No work, no pay for most. I had great insurance, but still they wanted me released after 3 days. At 3 days I was no better than a 3 day old baby, totally helpless. Liver issues kept me hospitalized for 13 days, but I could then walk out unaided, and never took another pain dose after the IV was removed at day 10.

    Sorry for the long story, but don't feel that surgery is the end of youth. It was actually a new beginning after 10+ years of misery. Actually, I laughed at myself after I broke 2 ribs on my dirt bike last year. I don't bounce like I used to, just went splat! And it wasn't even a "hold my beer and watch this" moment.
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  6. trc.rhubarb

    trc.rhubarb ZoomSplat!

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    Thank you for that! Tomorrow is a big day... sad part is that the best I can hope for is "go get a CT done end of May and come see me after" but I can live with that.
    I am surprised to you able to 'abuse' things after the surgery... dr was very concerned that if we had to go that route, all 'dangerous activities' would take on a much higher risk.
    I'm not totally objected to the whole cyborg idea of implanted metal but I was hoping to confine it to places other than my spine and skull. :lol3

    Interesting info on the PSA. I don't smoke and found alcohol tends to make this situation worse by making me less than coordinated... so it sounds like I'm good on that aspect if we get there.
  7. BuckeyeDoug

    BuckeyeDoug Not a Pirate

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    Like you mentioned earlier, sounds like the Dr was against "dangerous motorcycles".....just sayin. My younger brother is a DR, he calls them donorcycles.

    Another thing to remember, the techniques used in 2006 are antiquated compared to today's methods. Spinal surgeries have matured at nearly the rate of computer game graphics. My neck is due next, so I'm about to start my homework and research the latest techniques. Unfortunately, insurance isn't as good as it once was, so I may not be able to choose whom I'm most comfortable with.

    You're way ahead of the game by successfully weaning off the pain meds. A lot of folks end up in pain management (addicted) for the rest of their lives.

    Keep up the fight, and good luck. :thumb
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  8. trc.rhubarb

    trc.rhubarb ZoomSplat!

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    Today is a interesting one. I met with the Neuro and she was just positive I was going to come in and tell her that I was doing great. She had my CT up on her screen ready to show me how amazing the healing is, etc...
    And she was disappointed to hear that I'm still in as much pain as I was back in January. Albeit with a shorter recovery time to normalizing pain when overdoing it.

    So next steps are MRI next week, Pain Management Doctor to see what he can find, Trauma Surgeon and potentially an abdominal specialist if nothing telling comes from the MRI.
    Great news that I don't need the fusion, but she won't release me to start doing anything more strenuous in an attempt to maybe reduce the pain through stretching and exercise.
    She wants to see the MRI first and ensure there is nothing the CT missed.
    Funny lady too... wanted to know if I needed any refills on Opiates, if I needed something to relax me in the MRI and instead of the normal MRI questions like welding, ferrous metal in the body, etc... she asks if I can go in an MRI and wanted to be sure I don't have any gunshot wounds with bullets still in them or fragments. Not sure if that was a joke or serious but I'll take it as a joke.

    If I'm healed and no other issues, just pain... then it's time to work on the pain.

    Check out my fancy 3d CT Scan and all the wonderful 'filler' (my word) bone. It's that sloppy weld below my ribs. :lol3

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  9. HardWorkingDog

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    Wow. Just wow.

    Our bodies are crazy-complex things, kind of amazing it all works even half as well as it does, huh? Maybe you need to have @Hodakaguy 's father take a turn at your spine. He's one helluva welder.

    Seriously though, stay away from the opioids. They are ruthless and don't want to let you go...
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  10. trc.rhubarb

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    I may have to get the original image from her and get it printed & framed for the garage. I know it's constructed of a lot of 2d images, but I don't know how much artistic license is applied.
    I assume the gloss and lightsource are photoshop injected
  11. trc.rhubarb

    trc.rhubarb ZoomSplat!

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    Oh, almost forgot... kind of a strange thing today. Those that commute through there may know more about it but while I was heading to the doctor, I had to pass the accident spot.
    As I got close to where I found that deer, there was a dead deer, looked fresh, in the breakdown lane next to lane 1.
    While thinking about that, I looked over and saw the K-rail for the off-ramp that I crashed near completely destroyed with caution tape and cones and such.

    This deer was a little further back from the one I assume was mine and the accident was a little further up than mine but both by 100ish feet or so.
    Kind of eerie... I hope they came of it ok. Kind of has me thinking that there may be a new game trail in that spot. I need to see if there is a way to look up deer strike incidents... just cause I'm bored and have nothing better to do most of the time.

    Tomorrow is a vacation day because I've maxed out vacation accrual. Can't go anywhere so I will attempt to read new and exciting ride reports, wear out Netflix and who knows... maybe take a nap or two :gerg

    Last thing, then I'll stop my looney rants... today was day 150! :p3rry
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  12. BuckeyeDoug

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    That 3D scan looks like some of my arc welding from the 80's! Ouch! That has got to be the area that's not playing nice. Maybe "borrow" the scans and get another opinion if you can. I had mine sent from home in Florida to Cleveland Clinic and got confirmation on the diagnosis, but I had an inside contact as my brother did his residency there. I've also had some medical procedures at Vanderbilt Univ in Nashville, and since it's a teaching hospital, I never paid another dime past the co-pay. Check area Universities out there and see what they offer. Couldn't hurt.

    Find anything good on Netflix?
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  13. barko1

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    Opiates are just fine for some people, it is a minority (but yes still a big number) that get into trouble. I've had 3 back surgeries and 4 or 5 other orthopedic surgeries and old bones rubbing on other bone, hernia, etc and have used Vicodin for years on and off. These days I take 1/2 when things hurt and it works like a charm. I'm not an addictive type, quit smoking, don't really drink. Better off without any drugs but I'm happy to have something that when used moderately, actually works.
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    @BuckeyeDoug - great idea. I do have all the scans on CDs, along with many of the radiology reports and will discuss with other doctors for sure. Travel is pretty limited, so they need to be within a pretty tight radius but I do have some top medical centers not too far away. I'm just about to fire up Netflix, but first had to do some research on why I keep hearing from one member that the DRZ regulator/rectifier works differently than all others. I'm sure there is truth to what he's saying but he prefers to keep it a mystery :) Black Mirror is a really cool series (sometimes a bit of a trainwreck) if you are into Twilight Zone style shows.

    @barko1 - I'm in the in-between boat. They work well for me and I tolerate all but Vicodin well. That means, I'm usually on Percocet or Dilaudid and that brings a whole new set of issues. I am very susceptible to addiction with Opiates and although I've not had an issue yet, I have been able to recognize early signs and stop before it's too late. Withdrawals always suck for me, so I try to use them sparingly vs on a regimen as the doctors ask for.

    I'm always tempted to take the doctors up on their offers of pills but I know better than to have them around. I generally keep about 5 of each type in reserve and out of sight just in case. I've carried them on most bike trips as a 'get out of a bad place card' but haven't had to use them yet, even when I've hurt myself.

    Others are not so lucky and we just had a visitor that I know has an issue, who has taken mine before, and I was sure to hide them all away in the safe. I've got few Vicodin but a ton of Dilaudid (hydromorphone) and that stuff is plain nasty to get hooked on.
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    I was on Ocycodone 20mg for about 4 years when I first was having horrible back troubles , this was early 2000's just when it was getting bad and I was having issues with withdrawl symptoms taking them as prescribed . I had to go off and change around to keep my tolerances down but it was always an issue . Well I learned something , all the while I was taking them all I heard was how addicting they are and how bad they are to get off of ect... I got rid of all that way of thinking , ignored everything about that and I suddenly had very little issues with going off or withdrawal . So much of it is all in a person head , if you think you will get addicted , yes you will . Quit thinking like that and not so much . I've gone off and on a bunch of times depending how bad my back gets or how many hours I have to work ect... Actually reduced it to Methadone 10mg since the doctor had me on to strong to begin with.

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  16. Phoenix65420

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    Rhubarb, If you had any more of those pics, we may be able to 3-D print you a spine as a backup. It may be softer, made of plastic and less cushiony, BUT it would help you stay loose offroad!
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  17. trc.rhubarb

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    @jjxtrider I thought I could handle them. It's just a few weeks right? Wrong, I couldn't and my wife showed me that I couldn't. Complete obsession over getting my next hit.
    When I stopped, I thought no problem, just a few weeks... no addiction issues. For over a month I would randomly go through shakes, sweats, convulsions, vomiting, etc... I thought I was sick, I was but not from a virus or bacteria.

    Assuming you mean Oxycodone since Oxycodeine isn't a medication but all the names are so similar - you got very lucky. That's some hardcore stuff. Effectively delayed release Dilaudid and that rates higher than herion. If you were on Codeine, that's a different story and such a light dose, it's understandable that addiction likely wouldn't occur.

    Either way, I'm glad you weren't affected. I have learned the hard way and I know better than to take it lightly and I always warn my wife if I take them. She keeps tabs on the pill count to ensure I'm not abusing and knows not to hesitate to take them away if I do; regardless of what story I tell or how much I complain. If I lived alone, I'm sure I would have visited that downward spiral long ago.
  18. RiverCitySlicker

    RiverCitySlicker Completing The Worlds Longest Top End Kit Install

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    your wife sounds like a wonderful partner who cares very much for you. You are lucky to have such a person in your life, I really hope you find some answers and ultimately some relief for your ailments. Good luck, and thanks for keeping us updated on your progress.
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