what to expect from wife , when doing two up ? should I ?

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  1. mpetrau

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    This is a great thread! A lot of excellent advice to take my gf for some nice rides (she's somewhat afraid of bikes so I think we'll need to start with short dinner rides first... :)) thanks for sharing your experience.
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  2. goin2alaska

    goin2alaska Been here awhile

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    Leave her at home there are lots of them along the trail
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  3. Gham

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    I'm considering a new (to me) tactic about travel with my wife.On long distance stuff where I plan to stay in one destination area for awhile I may do the cross country stuff solo and fly my wife to/near the closest large city,ride around the sites for a few days with her,then fly her back home.

    I realize this would kill some peoples budgets but it may be the only compromise left for me that will work.Long days in the saddle for her are becoming very difficult.Throw in mixed weather and she can get kinda irritable quickly.
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  4. boatpuller

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    That plan also works even if you are not going to stay in one area awhile. My wife protects her vacation days, and won't "waste" them riding through boring local areas. So we've flown her out to airports in our destination area, and flown her home from different airports on the other end of our trip. IE: Into Bozeman, out of Jackson; Into Bozeman, out of Victoria BC; Into Manchester NH, out of Bennington; into Cin Oh, rode home that time. The trick is to leave enough slack in your ride to not have to rush to the airport. Also, helps if you have a hotel near the airport reserved, with a shuttle service, to back up your getting there on time.
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  5. Gham

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    Sounds like a good idea,how do you handle her gear? Take part with you and she has a small carry on? Just trying to get ideas.
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  6. Academy

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    We figured out that sleeping indoors is best when we ride 2 up. Squeezing camping gear for two people onto one bike is a challenge and adds even more weight to a bike which is already gonna be heavy 2 up anyways.
    Leaving the camping gear at home means less time packing / unpacking, no riding in the rain and than setting up camp in the rain, no breaking camp means earlier starts. Everything you need fits in the lockable panniers which is great when leaving the bike for a walk around town.
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  7. boatpuller

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    Pretty close. All her riding gear, which is the bulky stuff, goes in a big stuff sack with compression straps, and rides on her seat. This includes coat, pants, helmet, gloves. Other gear for her gets loaded on the bike no different than if we were departing the house together. We use a trunk on the bike and have two little tote bags that squeeze in like they were made for it. She may use one of those as an air plane carry on, or she may pack it on the bike and use a small collapsible knap sack for her carry on. She wears her boots on the plane.
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  8. davenowherejones

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    I wonder if you are allowed to wear a pair of Tech 10's on a USA commercial flight now? Or even steel toe boots?
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  9. Gham

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    Great tips,thanks bp!
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  10. boatpuller

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    Don't know. We find leather GoreTex hiking boots to be our choice. Adequate foot protection for our risk tolerance, and useful when hiking at the areas we enjoy riding. Never had any trouble wearing hiking boots on a commercial airplane.
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  11. River-Runner

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    If we were to ride double up, I would prepare her for a plausible, but intermittent and reoccurring pairing problem with the UClear communicators.......

    Just in case........
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  12. Anders-

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    Begin by talking it through, imagine a few different scenarious and how it might play out, see if you're both still ok with it.
    Be prepared that while it might be a thrill and spicy up your life, there's also a risk things could go in a different - not so good - direction.

    Two up certainly isn't for everyone, even though it occasionally might seem tempting, so make sure this is something you do just because you both want it (ie no external influence).
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  13. nickguzzi

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    For us, camping always means earlier starts. The sun wakes me up at dawn. My partner is a light sleeper. Some times we will make a coffee on site, but usually we are planning on stopping at the first town or village, score the best croissants and drop into a cafe or bar for the beverage. Coffee if it will be getting warm, hot chocolate if it will stay cool. Usually there are old guys testing out the wine or beer.
    Sitting on the terrace, soaking up the sun, or hiding from it, maybe look at a map or chat about possible destinations.
    Nice coffee, decent croissants, bike across the way, all ready when we are. On the road for real by seven is not uncommon. Ride till midday, then find a decent restaurant. A fine meal will put most people into a good mood. Our habit is to try to have the tent up by no later than mid afternoon. Gives post shower time for a mooch round the local village or a short ride to a larger town.
    We most definitely don't have an intercom - this was a requirement before the bike rides abroad, but once we tried without it, it just seemed so much better to have the time to our selves, together. And chat about what we saw and smelt and experienced along en route, over a beer or the meal at the end of the day.

    As has been mentioned, riding two up is not for everyone - both rider and passenger have to enjoy it. I know a couple of passengers who put up with the ride, because of the destination, but it colours the holiday for them. Their debrief afterwards is usually a litany of the problems, rather than the joys and excitements.
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  14. bdesj

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    Dude, you`re my new hero!

    Glad I stumbled into this thread- I kind of figured there must be something like it, but never bothered to search it up. My wife and I are still getting the hang of things, but the inspiration is always nice to read. We started our two-upping on a tandem bicycle, have been transitioning to the internal combustion method for a couple years. Best difference is that she doesn`t know when I fart on the moto. Farting as captain on a tandem is something like shitting in your stoker`s mouth, and my wife tended to get quite upset about that for some reason :dunno

    Started moto two-upping on my DR650 with a few comfort mods, then bought a DL650 this spring, based largely on its reputation as a good "small" two-up bike. Got it set up fairly well (actually, it came mostly set up from the PO), have been enjoying quite a few day trips, and the one overnighter we managed was a blast. We tried to load it up once for a quick campout, but ended up doing that one out of the car after trying to stuff all our gear into the bike`s luggage. Might try it again some day, might not. If we end up being "motel only" for our two up weekends, I`m okay with that. If we never end up making a long moto trip together, that`s fine too- I just hope the day rides and weekend getaways continue.

    I have to say I`m intrigued by the possibilities of riding to a distant airport and picking up my wife to just ride the "good" stuff together or at least to eliminate a good chunk of the slogging. Good idea that opens up a lot more possibilities!

    Comments from my limited experience at two-upping: Intercom is a godsend (for us, anyway). Backrest, yes. But as far as the cussion things they sell, you might be better off without. I made one up from foam and vinyl and screwed it to the front of our top case thinking it would be mo comfy for my wife, but she told me it pushed her forward to much and the foam in the back of her jacket made leaning against the naked top box good enough, so the pillow came off. Only one way to find out which way is better for you. Depending on how outspoken or how stoic your pillion is, you might have to prod for feedback to find out what is comfortable and what hurts, what is scary, etc. All will be different of course, but I find that if I don`t specifically ask I might not realize that she`s getting tired or she hates the new seat or her toes are freezing until its too late and she`s in for a miserable trip (none of us want that). Lots of mention above about leaving plenty of pannier space for your pillion, but remember the day trip version of that same lesson- be sure to offer plenty of easy to access space in topcase or tank bag for the other person`s more immediate needs. In our case,immediate needs include multiple bottles of tea/water/juice, meds, snacks (diabetic wife), plenty of extra clothes or a place to stash removed clothes (maybe way more changing than when solo). Some strange things I have noticed about two-up riding: I generally get better fuel economy with the extra load (probably because I behave myself more), and though my wife has told me after the fact that a certain situation made her nervous, the two times that I REALLY screwed up and scared myself, she never even noticed. Go figure.

    Subscribing, thanks for the read. Cheers, all!
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  15. Eatmore Mudd

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    Mr's Mudd mostly rides beside me now but we packed two up since the beginning and still do on occasion. She's excellent at it. We have a thing going with that.
    She watches my blind spots, clears me to change lanes, backs me up on sector scanning and does navigation so I can concentrate on my tasks, she keeps track of speed limits for me too. She was nervous when she first started packing on the back ( pillion ) with me so I'd call out every intentional action so she wouldn't be surprised. "Speeding up, braking, bumps ahead" that type of stuff.

    Some things we figured out over time. Boxer briefs,, for her. Don't laugh. Binding and pinching sucks. Keep her comfortable and she''ll ride all day.
    FUD ( female urinary device ) for when dropping trau is unsafe or un sanitary. I bought one of everything available so she could pick the ones she liked best.The rest are back up spares. Merino wool socks and Aloe socks, she loves them. Nothing says baby I care for you and we're a team and like keeping her favorite sunscreen and chap stick in the tank bag for her.

    Convincing her to upgrade and expand her gear was tough. I had to remind her a lot that good gear lasts a lifetime if you take care of it. Divide the price by the number of days in your life and it works out pretty cheap. And I told her up front shes going to end up with three of everything so she can mix and match to meet the weather. Shes kind of proud of her modest gear and boot collection now.
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  16. sdbeck

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    I guess I just have a hard time seeing the fun in doing any long distance with a spouse or signficant other. I'm in my late 40's, my wife and I get along great, she is good with me riding when I want and taking long trips. She enjoys going on a short ride occassionally but never pressures me to take her.

    There are some pitfalls when you venture into this arena. You take a lightweight, powerful, agile machine and load it down with two people and a lot of luggage. You just lost the driving dynamics. Your wife may not be so keen on camping or staying in cheap hotels as you are. More frequent stops. Lack of tolerance for extreme weather. Depending on your partner, this could make what seems like a great idea...well, not so great. Kind of like beer and ice cream. Two great things, but not great together.

    I guess the overly logical side of me just thinks "why not drive a car?". You can talk to each other all you want, take turns driving if you get tired, eat while driving. Taking a vehicle like a Tacoma or 4 Runner on a trip sounds like a good way to travel with the wife. You'd have better off road capability than you would 2up on a bike. Carry all the camping gear you need. Plus you're not so hindered if the weather goes south.

    To each his own though. Everyone is different.

    One last thing to consider though. If your wife or girlfriend gives any indication that she doesn't like it that you go riding without her, you can kiss your independence goodbye once you get her setup for riding. The next time your riding buddies want you to go on some 500 mile one-day road trip, she'll want to go. Then she'll need to stop every 30 miles for some reason. You'll finally just separate from your friends...permanently. It's like taking your wife to the strip club.
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    Colleen rides her own bike, but some ideas cross over.
    When we are camping we have designated jobs that require no discussion.
    AS SOON as we stop I unpack the sleeping pads and let them get air. Then even before I take my boots off I put up the tent. Then I finish airing up the pads and put them in the tent. Meanwhile Colleen has made a drink and unpacked the bedding. Now I can get off my riding gear and sit with a drink. She makes the bed. I'll get out all the 'kitchen gear' and put it on the picnic table. In about 15 minutes we have barely spoken and are ready in camp. I'll mooch around collecting firewood or buying some and Colleen will prepare dinner.
    In the morning no discussion needed. When we get up Colleen takes the bedding out with her and packs it. Then she makes coffee. Whilst she's doing that I roll the pads, drop the tent and pack them. 15 minutes in to the morning and we are halfway there.
    At motels it's a breeze. We walk in with our toiletries, Colleen makes a drink....I sit on the bed with the TV remote.
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  19. CanadianX

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    I'm looking forward to our next big 2up trip. I get lots of saddle time on the dirt bike with no complaints from my wife, she even runs the support crew for the beer league enduros and rallies I "race" in over the summer. On the big DS I have an annual long weekend with my buddy, that one usually has me covering big miles and playing off road. My wife and I typically take a couple of day trips and one big trip on the DS. Those 2up big trips are causal exploring and seeing the sights. I enjoy the time together and it is a different kind of trip. Yes I need to do a little extra planning, pack more gear and need to be realistic with the route but I've made sure she has all the gear to be comfortable. Would I want every trip to be 2up, no but I do like to share my passions with my wife. She's an equal partner in the venture and we quickly fall into a routine setting up or tearing down camp and planning the destinations for the day. This Feb we'll ship the bike to Vegas for our two week trip into Baja. We'll camp some and see the same sights and come back having had an adventure together. The little life experience that help bind you together and give you shared experiences and references to sustain you when the work weeks stretch or we're apart for long periods.
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