What Yamaha should do to the Super Tenere 1200

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Gryphongryph, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. GrahamD

    GrahamD Long timer

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    Most of the Japanese do it.

    Is it some kind of design rule somewhere? Or manufacturers gentleman's agreement?

    My SV650 had the same thing. DL1000 the same, VFR1200 - same. They are just the ones I know about.
    Maybe they will drop it, now that they are in touch with their dark side.
  2. danketchpel

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    No, I've only ridden it on pavement. I would have loved to take one off-road if I could.

    I don't get the objection to a simple little switch? Options and rider control is all the rage now. Why have multiple modes for power output and traction control or suspension settings but not have the simple option of turning off the ABS? People who like it would have it and those who may not want it in some conditions could have it their way. It makes everybody happy for pennies.

    I don't see KTM, BMW, Moto Guzzi, Triumph getting their pants sued off for offering an off button. If you love it you can leave it on, no biggie.
  3. GrahamD

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    Well YAMAHA may have decided it may more worthy if they just did a better ABS that kept your average amateur rider safe more often, rather than give people crap and a switch.

    Different corporate outlook I suppose.

    The fact that YAMAHA can't charge a 30% percent law suite premium may have something to do with that.

    Maybe the Japanese are a bit more sensitive to maiming and killing their customers. Who knows?

    But if this is any indication..
    Now YAMAHA finished off the design in 2009 and had a delayed launch in 2010. It would be interesting to see if they have done any more work on the ABS and TC in the interim.

    They need to do more with the "test ride appeal" though. We will see what happens in November.

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    I think they should give more mud clearance so the front fender doesn't pack up so easily :norton
  5. twinrider

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    I've got no idea why but I sure hope Yamaha has studied the flash fueling... It's not just the 1-3 gear restrictions, the ECUnleashed flash makes the bike much smoother and more powerful in all the gears. Now my throttle hand doesn't fall asleep anymore. :clap
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    It REALLY make the engine that much smoother...?? I may have to try it this winter and see what all the hubub is about...
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    lukasteam Life is beautiful !!!

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    Pardon the fool :D , I meant 2nd gen re-flash .
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    Yup, had a lot of problems with throttle hand numbness, all gone now. Between that and the power, the flash really makes a good bike a great one.

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    No problem. I confuse easily.
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  11. twinrider

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    That's exactly what I wish I had done... I had a full Erion exhaust system on it, 110 rwhp and sounded brilliant!

    Will post a pic later.

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  12. Bain Dramage

    Bain Dramage Been here awhile

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    Yamaha needs more people voting with their wallets - buying this bike - or the model will be history. It is not selling well enough to keep it going long-term. This is a shame.

    My suggestions to Yamaha:

    Mechanical:
    1. Cut the weight, by 50lbs.
    2. Re-design the fuel tank and engine placement for a lower center of gravity.
    3. Give it better suspension out of the box. It should not "bottom out" as easily as it does.
    4. Give it a tad more travel, front and rear.
    5. Install cruise control.

    Marketing:
    1. Encourage demo rides at every dealership.
    2. Sponsor real-world riders to ride the bike on various continents. Give everyday people a chance to ride the S10 for say 3-5 days (all expenses paid) and interview them during and after.
    3. Sponsor "experienced" riders to take the bike on a "year of journeys" and post travelogues of their experiences. I'm thinking here of some experienced folks who have ridden several countries already (like many you find at HU). They have cred in the industry.

    Make a product that people want, and then remind them of why they want it.
  13. WVhillbilly

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    I like it just fine, I would like it better if it were about a 750 tho.
    Some folks need a bike like this in a 1200 with lots of horsepower, some don't.

    I don't even mind the "nannies" since they seem to be fairly well sorted.
    But every time I look at one of these it just looks too big for the riding I'd want to do with it. :dunno
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  19. BaldKnob

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    1. Contract ECUnleashed to remap the fueling.

    2. Upgrade the suspensions to KYB (46mm forks and fully adjustable shock)

    3. Upgrade electrics for on-the-fly TC (at the bars), cruise control and a 12v outlet that can handle more than just charging your fancy phone.
  20. Old Git Ray

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    Here is my list of gripes after 40 months of ownership.

    1) The dash switches should be bar mounted. All of them. It is a pain trying to change any of them on the move. I had a GSA before and I liked that feature (sorry for swearing in public).
    2) The bike is powerful enough. It just needs the throttle ratio changed in 'S' so the butterflies open quicker (like the Gen 2 flash makes it do).
    3) The huge flat spot needs eradicating, as do the gear restrictions, but again, only in 'S'.
    4) 1st gear is too high. In rough streets with traffic the clutch is used too much. Also when off road over rocks etc, it is too high. Sadly, (and I hate to say this again) I ordered my BMW with a low 1st gear and is was a big bonus.

    Having said all the above, I am still happy with the switch. :1drink