Whats the ATG of ATGATT?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by windmill, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. JimVonBaden

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    I still don't see it. You certainly can tip a sidecar over and "go down". You can also get knocked off your sidecar. :deal

    None the less, this is no different than the other ATGATT thread and should be merged. People are ignoring to OPs question and just jumping into the pro'cons of ATGATT.

    Jim :brow
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  2. rivercreep

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    Ditto! And some of my skin abrasions looked better than some of the Guys who have shared pics after they went down while wearing "proper" protection.
    I guess the end result has more to do with how good you are at braking and scrubbing off enough speed before you hit the tarmac to keep the sliding down to a minimum.

    I think there's a fine balance between wearing enough that you feel "safe" vs being uncomfortable to the point that you'd rather not ride. (like when it's hot and humid)
    If I were to be convinced that my life depended on wearing ATGATT and it wasn't worth the risk to ride without it, on days like We've had in my State lately = I'd go fishing instead.

    I digress. Much like our diverse tastes in Bikes, to each his/her own. (I just enjoy making fun of neon michelin men!):wink:
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  3. G.R.

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    In the August 2012 Rider magazine there was an articled by Clement Salvadori entitled BATGATT...Brains and All The Gear All The Time.

    I tried to find an online copy of it to post but I can't seem to find one. Anyways the main idea of the article is that our "Brain" is our most important tool in avoiding possible mishaps on the bike in the first place. To just gear up head to toe and then go out and ride without the right mindset doesn't really accomplish a whole lot.

    I agreed with the article and I do ride with armored/textile pants/jacket, good helmet, riding boots & gloves myself but even more importantly I switch my brain over to "motorcycle mode" for a much more heightened sense of my surroundings, spacing and potential road hazards.
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  4. crofrog

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    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/31766974" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/31766974">Hammer Run crashes and a close call</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/crofrog">Chris Shafer</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

    the last speed you can see on the video is upper 20's...

    It didn't hurt _at_all_ and trust me I've hit shit allot faster. Now tell me how that would feel with out armor?
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  5. windmill

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    You can't low side on a sidecar, but you can flip one, if you do chances are you will be launched or it is going land on you. I'm not saying gear isn't nessary for a sidecar, just that it has different priorities.

    I was hoping to get opinions on what is ATG, rather than the usual arguments, oh well.
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  6. abnslr

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    What's a minimum for "all the gear?" I'd go with the standard imposed by my workplace -- helmet, long sleeves, full-fingered gloves, long trousers, and boots that extend above the ankle. We've also got a requirement for a brightly colored upper garment during the day and reflective material at night, but I think those requirements are less frequently observed.

    For me it's what I think will be sufficient protection for what I'll be doing at the time. It's always a helmet (full face is all I've got for now, but I may try one of those fancy Nolan 6-in-1 deals later) gloves of some sort, and a jacket, either leather or hi-viz mesh. I also always wear boots, though I go with all-leather combat boots instead of motorcycle-specific ones. If I'm riding on the highway I wear purpose-made riding pants or ovepants; around town I wear jeans or cargos over Bohn pants, or occasionally just jeans. That amount of gear is extremely unusual around here; I get some odd looks from other riders, particularly this time of year when it's hot.
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  7. TheWorstKind

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    ATGATT to me means:

    FF helmet with proper eye protection. Most of the time that includes ear plugs.

    Jacket and pants with impact protection, good tear and abrasion resistance. I like mc specific clothing because it gives me room to move.

    Gloves with impact and tear/abrasion resistance. A dual retention system is a must for me. Don't go cheap with gloves - the human body has more nerve endings in the hands than in the genital area.....

    Boots with a grippy sole, low heel, maybe even some shin/ankle armor.

    A downside to denim (aside from low tear/abrasion resistance) is that denim tends to "grab" the road surface, often times causing a crashing rider to tumble vice slide, which in turn can lead to (more) broken bones.
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  8. Kommando

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    On a track, usually yes. On the road or trail, there can be different standards, especially if the law comes into it. In a state where nothing besides legal clothing and eye-protection is required...some kind of street-legal helmet, some kind of gloves that protect better than bare skin, long sleeves, long pants, and over-the-ankle closed-toe footwear could be considered ATG. Sure, a leather 1-piece fully-armored tracksuit, FF DOT/Snell helmet, leather race boots, and leather race gloves would be better, but the person wearing the minimum I described above would usually be considered "better protected" than somebody wearing just sunglasses, a bikini, and flip-flops.

    It can. I wear a bit more/better armor when riding offroad, generally on my chest and legs. On the street, my gear is more biased towards being abrasion-resistant.
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  9. baloneyskin daddy

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    Its been close to 100degrees all Summer so I've been riding FATGATT fuck all the gear all the time.
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  10. steelerider

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    For me:
    Olympia jacket and pants
    Tourmaster solution boots
    Alpinestars AS2 gloves
    Shoei Qwest Helmet.

    If you had an off with a minimum of road rash (4 times) you got very lucky. If you've had real road rash, (large areas the same as a 2nd or 3rd degree burn) I guarantee you won't ever ride without abrasion protection again.

    Experience is the best teacher.
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  11. JimVonBaden

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    I get it, though I am not sure I agree that less gear is the way to go, as lee seems to imply.

    I know, mention ATGATT in any way and, like ABS, there will be people pontificating.:deal

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  12. gravityisnotmyfriend

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    Not disagreeing with the article. I'm just amazed that the proof reader missed that the biggest word on that page is mis-spelled!
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    For me, ATG at a minimum is boots, pants and a helmet. And that only applies for short trips in town. I realize that even at 30 MPH, I could lose some skin - but it's a risk I'm willing to take for the convenience and comfort. As long as my brain stays un-mushed, the rest will heal.

    I'm amazed at the number of riders here in the MidWest with zero protective gear. I get weird looks putting a helmet on in the parking lot after work.
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  14. windmill

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    I'm just curious what other folks consider the minimum to be ATG.

    For me it is ff or modular helmet, riding jacket, gloves, and boots. Considering that I rarely wear riding pants, and use work gloves in warm weather I'm not ATGATT but rather MTGATT.
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  15. el queso

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    For me it means all the body parts are covered; helmet, jacket, gloves, pants and real riding boots. I prefer using "real" riding pants, but if I'm just buzzing around town a pair of heavy denim pants keeps me happy.

    Sometimes I cringe thinking how fast I used to ride bicycles wearing only Lycra and a beer cooler helmet... :huh
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  16. jamz

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    Easy question, anyone who wears more than I do is an uptight safety dork, and anyone who wears less is an irresponsible idiot.
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    Modular helmet, gloves, textile padded/armored jacket, boots and... um... most of the time jeans.

    I do have some moto-pants w/armor in the knees but I don't wear 'em during the week. Not going to wear those while welding, or come fall, being elbows deep in diesel engines and commercial truck chassis.

    On weekend joy rides when I'm going to go buzz around on back roads, I up the gear level to include the moto pants.
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  18. orangebear

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    for me its ever a ff helmet or a flip front helmet and a proper textile bike jacket and pants and bike boots and gloves.

    it does not matter if you ride in leathers or textile as they both should save your skin
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    +1

    this also applies to speed.....anyone going slower is an idiot anyone going faster is a maniac! :rofl

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  20. Celtic Curmudgeon

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    This exactly - reminds me of an old George Carlin route on driving "Anyone driving slower than me is a moron, anyone driving faster than me is a maniac!" :rofl
    (Offcamber beat me to the post with that one.)

    I see a lot of posts on here deriding Kevlar jeans. "The seams will bust!" or "...just a false sense of security!" , but have yet to see any documented cases of Kevlar jeans "failing" in an accident.

    Another fun one is "Steel toed boots will cut your toes off!" Nevermind that Mythbusters blew that one up, and let's face it, an impact forceful enough to crush the steel cap into your digits would almost certainly rip your toes clean off, irrespective of your footgear.
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