Whats up with all the bmw hate?

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by firecrotch, Mar 5, 2012.

  1. firecrotch

    firecrotch Been here awhile

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    I am contemplating an new f800gs this fall. You cant hardley find them used. That alone tells me everything. Yet I stumble across "bmw's are pos's" type threads all the time. Listing this and that and engine surging or forks failing blah blah.

    My theory is that there are people that beat the chit out ythem, brake them then bitch. Am I right?
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  2. epicxcrider

    epicxcrider Been here awhile

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    People who love their bikes or don't have problems won't post up as much as people who want to complain about them or have issues.
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  3. Casejeep

    Casejeep Been here awhile

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    I love my bike. i beat the shit out of it. i went jumping this weekend, not to much air but my buddy got about 3ft. with that being said. these bikes will take almost anything you can throw at them. if you maintain them, they will take care of you.

    but if you beat them day after day and dont take care of it, yes they will brake. or if you put diesel in the gas tank, you will kill the bike, but again that isnt the bikes fault.
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  4. Lost Rider

    Lost Rider Roadie

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    I beat my BMW's, my girl beats her BMW's, sometimes they break, most of the time not so much. Been a while since I had any problems, lots of beating.



    Engine surging was a common issue YEARS ago on the older boxer motors, the R1200 hex head motor took care of that. Same with Final Drive failures, that's settled down quite a bit, but still amplified by the INTERNET.
    I would say there's more "older" BMW riders, and when I think of my dad bitching about mechanical things he does't understand it does't surprise me when I see all the whining on the forums, especially on the road bike forums. Retired baby boomers with nothing better to do than bitch and complain about the latest BMW conspiracy.

    As for that recent broken fork from that totally anonymous "chick", I don't believe a word that person says, zero street credit here on ADV, and my girl rides that exact same bike - I'm not worried at all. Those couple of photos are far from being any proof. And the photos from a few failures from 10 years ago have nothing to do with modern times, and are far from proof too IMO.
    I've had my share of issues with BMW's designs, and company... I'm far from a fan-boy and enjoy speaking the truth, but that fork failure is BS. :deal She's a brand new rider that hit something and crashed or visa vera on her first ride and wanted to blame/sue someone else. That would make more sense than a fork just breaking in half riding down a smooth paved highway at 40 mph on a brand new bike. :deal Take into account she hasn't posted in a single other thread than that one, and has changed her story a few times. No other photos, no other posts in ANY thread besides hers, no ride reports, no photos of her, nobodies met or actually knows her. BS, zero street credit. and just fuel for the BMW bashing fire.


    People are venomous about BMW's, the one's that can't afford them or have their competitors bike talk shit about them, then one's that expect them to be 100% flawless because they are expensive and are BMW's get disappointed and upset when something mechanical, made by a human breaks. Of course some bad dealers don't help the mix, but that's the human element to any faceless corporation. I've had my share of problems and bitching on the F800, but make up for those posts with 1000's of photos of my BMW's all over the place.... you figure out how I feel after soaking it all up. :evil

    Find a good dealer, develop a good relationship with them and enjoy riding some of the finest motorbike made I say.
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  5. ride2little

    ride2little MoveAlongNothingHere

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    Point --> you will LOVE the F800GS. just make sure it's the kind-of bike you want. Seem to be a few (very few) who bought it and are trying to turn it into something it's not.
    Some days I ride mine hard off-road, some days hard on-road, some days long-distance and some days just cruise.
    It really IS a good do-it-all bike.

    As for BMW bashers, it is kinda funny. Folks are just silly about brand-bashing. And sometimes we bring it upon ourselves. The worst seem to be KLR owners for some reason (??). (Not bashing them, mind you. Simple fact.)

    Stand -tall and enjoy the machine if you end up getting one.
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  6. Wolfgang55

    Wolfgang55 Long timer

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    Please show me a perfect scoot......
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  7. Mollygrubber

    Mollygrubber Eschew obfuscation

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    Take a test ride. If it sings to you, buy it. There's no such thing as a "perfect" bike, but at the same time it's also hard to find a shitty bike these days.

    AFAIK BMW has dealt with the issues that were prevalent in the first couple of runs, and this is now a competent, sorted bike. Buying a first year bike is always risky IMO, the public will always find problems the design team couldn't.

    Like Joe said, don't pay too much attention to the interweb bashing, most of that is a small minority of problems making the VAST majority of noise.
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  8. Lost Rider

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    Seems to me that's one of the strongest points of the F-GS's is that it can easily be setup for very different types riding and riders.
    Without going into the extreme, just a set of knobby tires, or counter sprocket to be a good off road weapon, or a big windshield and some hard luggage and maybe a seat pad and you have a good two-up road touring bike.
    Anything in between, like you mentioned.

    Stock it's a blank slate and pretty neutral, doing different types of Dual Sport riding pretty well, with some mods it can easily go from one extreme to another and do things VERY well to suit a riders needs and tastes. :wink:

    Not sure what you mean by turning into something it's not, it can be anything a person wants it to be, there in lies the beauty of the F series GS's. :D
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  9. xymotic

    xymotic Long timer

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    it can't be a 300# motocross bike:deal
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  10. Lost Rider

    Lost Rider Roadie

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    You're absolutely right, mines of the 485 pound long distance dirt touring bike flavor 8GS, hardly suited for a motocross track. :evil
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  11. puckinet

    puckinet Safety third

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    The bike is great, it had its problem the first couple years but mostly minor just growing pains as with any new product. I love mine and love riding it
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  12. Calikatoom

    Calikatoom Norcal Moto Nut

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    I sell BMW and Triumph for a living. I also bleed orange since I have been riding KTM dirtbikes and dual sports since the early Nineties. (hoping for some kind of objective credibility) :1drink

    All the modern bikes are very good. None of them are perfect!

    The greatest piece of advice I have seen in this topic was stated above. An unhappy customer will tell 100 friends. The happiest customer will tell 3 or 4 friends.

    On an internet forum, the negatives can get amplified if a handful of people are sharing a common issue. It can falsely seem as though "every single bike" has problem "X", when in fact it is a relatively small group discussing a common issue to their machines.

    Important Note: Spend some time reading about the other bikes in the forums. You will see similar posts no matter what model is being discussed. KTM950 had water pump issues. R1200GS boxers had a rash of driveline failures. I'm sure there are other issues for other models that I can't think of because I tend to read about what I ride(F800GS).

    The information on this forum is exceptionally helpful for all of us. Just try to keep everything in perspective when comparing against the thousands of units sold globally.

    Test ride everything you can. Compare warranties. Have a good time!:D
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  13. shelion

    shelion Goddess of Fire

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    There are people that have an issue and either post it as an FYI for others with the same model or post to get advice on how to resolve it.

    Then there are people that have an issue and start screaming like a two year old that's just had their ice cream taken away. No resolution, no seeking advice, just want to rant and bash on the bike, the dealer, etc.

    It's pretty easy to tell the difference between the two. Read the reviews/posts of group 1 and avoid those of group 2.

    Test ride the bike and decide if it's the bike you want for whatever kind of riding you plan to do on it. If it is, buy it, ride and enjoy yourself. If it isn't, find the bike that is right for you, buy it, ride and enjoy yourself.
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  14. MichaelRay

    MichaelRay Adventurer

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    I just bought my third BMW after selling my first. (The wife draws the line at 2 bikes max...) (maybe I am a wooos... :eek:) I sold my 1984last year to get my new F8 and wish I never had. It's not that I don't like the F8, I just miss the 84 st... :eek:(
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  15. toro618

    toro618 Been here awhile

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    Because I haven't ridden any of my other bikes since 2010 :D
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  16. firecrotch

    firecrotch Been here awhile

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    Yeah you guys confirmed it. I mean the mere fact you cant find them used tells me all i needed to know.
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  17. lmclamore

    lmclamore Citation Collector

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    I am hard on mine but maintain it properly. It has not failed me yet. I too read the negative accounts and for a while felt maybe I was just lucky until I realized what others have stated above. We often forget to hail the great things about our bikes on the internet.

    One cool perspective...My coworker has been riding for decades. Everything but BMW's and decided he wanted to try one. He found a "good deal" on a used F650CS hundreds of miles from home. Brought cash and rode home. Engine failed to destruction during that ride. Bike sat at an indy shop all winter while he and the shop owner searched for a replacement engine. Finally located one, had it installed, and hit the road again. I was sure he would sell it immediately and head for the safe world of Nippon. He is having a ball and keeps talking about the fantastic heated grips, the best suspension he has experienced, great handling, etc.

    Somehow we gained another brother.
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  18. Dieselboy

    Dieselboy Journey not Destination

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    The internet is a great place to "bash". No personal involvement, no consequences. Let your vehemence flow because your audience is as anonymous as you are. I can't look you in the eye after I've ridden 1200 miles in one day, through a hail storm, on my way back from Alaska and cause you to reconsider your carefully edited (or not so carefully edited) text about my defective machine. We lose perspective and personal responsibility here if we are not careful.

    Ribbing is good prose. Bashing is self-gratifying cowardice. Venting is good for the soul. There are reasons for negativity but there is usually more to the story than we see posted. Be polite and consider "their" motivations...besides, some folks are just "half-empty" kind of people.

    Love my F8GS. Ride, repair, repeat. Like Lost Rider said, it's mechanical.
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  19. Buster714

    Buster714 VP of crash testing

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    Some good points made here. Dieselboy has the subtext. Some people need consequence staring them in the face to be decent.

    Haters gonna hate.

    I don't know about three feet- ! :lol3 http://youtu.be/sC0jwcIZX24 Prob looked a lot higher lying next to the bike!!
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  20. motogaz

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    No matter what bike your drooling over, you will find a lot of negative posts online for it. Don't sweat it, just get it and your only regret will be waiting.
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