when it's time to go

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by tblume, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. pHelix

    pHelix Eternal n00b

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    I generally agree with IDAHandy, but WSR has given me food for thought...

    Some people wonder about the meaning of life, why we're here, etc. I think they're missing the point. Life, itself, is the gift. You don't have to die to meet god.

    When it's time to go, really go, I doubt I'll have much say in how it happens. To some that's unacceptable. To me, to use an overused cliche, it is what it is. While we make choices every day, overall, we don't actually have a lot of choices in life. Just live.

    Oh, and is it beautiful because it is, or is it beautiful because we've been told it is? Most human beings seem to have an innate sense of beauty. Despite wildly different values in what is physically beautiful in people, worldwide, people do seem to feel that mountains and exposed faces of rock are inherently beautiful. Why? You can argue what is beautiful, just as Persig argues what is quality. I don't think it really matters, nor do I early care. Contemplating the beautiful brings joy, that's enough reason for me. Seek beauty and joy, and as a bonus act with grace. What better reason to live?
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  2. tblume

    tblume gettin'it

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    Well put Felix, glad you chimed in.


    Fuck.

    Just fucking brutal. Punch in the face indeed. :cry

    I'm with Peter, man; insert yourself in their lives as best you can- they'll remember. Cheers to you and yours, thanks for sharing and putting some reality in this here innerweb.
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  3. Apple Jam

    Apple Jam Forest Flyer

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    Motos, boats, or kids,....hmmmm
    I also have no kids, so my choice is easy.
    I would go with the kids :norton

    ...and take them to see the NW's beauty, willya?
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  4. Scott_PDX

    Scott_PDX Leisure Engineer

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    T. - :eek1....don't know you, but still, I'm speechless. That's a helluva burden, glad you have a family and loved ones that will support you. Make the most of the time pal. Makes me want to go home early on this sunny day and hug my dog (DINK's).
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  5. linkweewee

    linkweewee tantum quantum

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    Hit it hard man and don't wait too long.

    My friend Pat went from being one of the happiest and healthiest 45 y.o. human beings on the planet to sitting in a chair in his living room barely able to walk six months after he was diagnosed w brain cancer and died last month 14 months after his initial diagnosis.
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  6. GSguy

    GSguy Here's a quarter.

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    T, I'm sorry to hear this. If it was me, keep in mind I'm a family guy my vote is for the family. The time you will spend with your family is precous. It's hard to tell how much the kids will remember, but the memories that you will leave your wife with, the pictures that tell the kids your legacy will last for ever, and then so will you.
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  7. T.Low

    T.Low Been here awhile

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    Thanks, Guys. Yeah, I think I'm trying to ride just enough to keep my sanity and keep some semblance of health, but for the most part it's rolling around on the floor with the chitlins' for me.

    Fun nugget of the day: I didn't know Steven Hawking's nickname is "Rolling Thunder". That guy is a bad ass in more ways than one.
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  8. 100mpg

    100mpg Self Imposed Exile

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    is there any chance that the time line is longer then the doc said?
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  9. T.Low

    T.Low Been here awhile

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    Ask me in a couple of years. :lol3

    We have plans to go to the Mayo Clinic in Minneapolis. They are always finding other clinic's screw ups, so...

    One thing in particular that may increase my "able" years is that I just found a current study on clinicaltrials.gov that is to have a conclusion by December regarding a hypothesis that a Ketogenic diet slows the progression of ALS. I have unwittingly been doing a Ketogenic diet since last April just for fitness reasons, and have never felt better (Lost 55 lbs, and have been mtn biking like the wind, better than I have in the last 10 yrs- it was literally the fountain of youth for me. (I began it after my symptoms started, not knowing my symptoms were actually symptoms yet).

    We shall see. Thanks for your concern.
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  10. kwisn

    kwisn One Happy Dog

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    Just know that you are loved, and love them back. You're one of my faves and we haven't ridden enough.
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  11. Smedley

    Smedley sshhh, don't tell my wife

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    I can tell you when you are in that dark place and there are no lights for a way out, it is very very hard to get turned around.....
    I would not be typing this today if it weren't for that small glimmer and the feeling of guilt of leaving others behind to suffer the loss.....

    The pain can be very hard to deal with and when you feel all hope is gone, that ending looks like a blessing.....
    And as already stated, for those that have never felt that over whelming emotion of dispair, it is one that you cannot understand. I didn't for the first 46 years of my life. I saw it as some here have stated......but now being in that position and having that understanding, I will NEVER look down on another that is struggling like I did!!!! And if giving the chance, I will try and help them to see that there can be ways out of most of it.

    That all being said, I also see the "I do not want to be a burden on others" side of things and I respect that......


    Where I am today is a good place, and if I was told that I would not be here for much longer, I would try and do and see as much as I can before I couldn't......life is a gift!!!! :clap
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  12. Motomuffin

    Motomuffin CSMC

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    I never got knocked up, never got married ( haven't had a real boyfriend in 20 yrs) and have 3 family members. I don't know what i'd do faced w/ the knowledge of imminent demise... Buy a new bike I suppose.... and take off.
    Mom was lucky, after a lifelong battle w/ depression she died of a massive heart attack.
    I feel pretty done w/ this life. I don't have too many expectations of the rest of it given my own struggles w/ depression, but wouldn't off myself in an obvious way due to the few family members I have left.
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  13. HellsAlien

    HellsAlien a has-been that never-was

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    I never got anybody knocked up (not for lack of trying.) I did get married for better or worse (it got worse.) I have had real girlfriends for over twenty years (I feel blessed for that, esp Sylvia who was actually my dom partner.)

    I do know what I did when faced with the imminent demise of my loved one: I supported her to her last dying breath. It was one of the best choices I ever made in my adult lifetime and I would do it again in spite of all the pain & agony without a moments hesitation; including buying a new KTM that we both loved to ride the piss out of!

    I have been lucky so far. I am blessed with parents still alive and 60 years together. They are both legally blind, but not of or to each other.

    I am not blind to the effects of depression on those around me. I feel even at my late age that I am beginning more than ending, there just isn't enough time to do all the great things I wanna do.

    I am glad to know you would not off yourself; that would be bad and I'd kick your ass for doing so. That would be a very selfish thing for you to do in my opinion.

    What we see depends mainly on what we look for. If things ever look that bad give me a call and I will hold your hand, all night if neccessary.

    Things usually turn out best for those who make the best of the way things turn out. :freaky
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  14. BSkye

    BSkye Been here awhile

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    "What we see depends mainly on what we look for"....

    ........man, the day I figured THAT out things changed a lot.

    My life did not change I think, but I sure as hell learned to breathe.
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  15. tblume

    tblume gettin'it

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    fixed it for you, and what the hell?! how many of these FF's are your "family" ?? :ddog


    These folks here, you can choose-


    I ask you; what's better than a family you can hand pick? Wish you weren't busy Thursday- you're invited to my advfamily turkey (or whatever we scrounge up) day!
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  16. linkweewee

    linkweewee tantum quantum

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    Or as Tom Robbins (author) put it:

    "We can change the way things are by looking at them in a different way".
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  17. Motomuffin

    Motomuffin CSMC

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    Thanks for the kind offer, Tim
    Al... what can I say, those are perhaps the kindest words I've read in a very long time.
    I hang in there it's what I do. I function in certain parts of my life pretty damn highly, but in others it's bleak.
    I have tried altering my perspective, truly I have, and riding worked for me for years, but even that leaves me emotionally flat these days... that concerns me quite frankly....
    Glad to know all you ff's it gives me hope, actually
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  18. tblume

    tblume gettin'it

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    common thread I think- the riding leaving you flat- it'll pass- get out the little bikes for a while, get the fear back in the helmet, have dumb fun offroad, crash a little! :evil


    You've got an open invitation Ramona, anytime.
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  19. linkweewee

    linkweewee tantum quantum

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    The best advice I ever got when years ago I was doing shitty things to myself that noone but me knew about was from my dentist (also a friend) when he told me to "quit beating myself up" and that has stuck with me since.

    Their are no trite cliches to trot out that fix things is obviously a truism too and why we're so nice to others and hard on ourselves is another conundrum.
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  20. pHelix

    pHelix Eternal n00b

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    Guilty, guilty, guilty.


    Now I'll prolly beat myself about that, too... sheesh.


    Seriously, (pardon the upcoming pun) for me, the lesson yet to be fully learned is to stop taking myself so seriously. Having a sense of humor, especially when it comes to myself, doesn't come naturally or easy. But it's essential to my health.

    I'm still learning and will be til I shuffle off into the sunset...
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