Where the f*ck is the bike?

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by joefromsf, Mar 3, 2013.

  1. boinoodle

    boinoodle Old and Cautious

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    Well played Joe! Having spent years Mt. biking (and crashing in similar fashion) in the Moab area, I know your angle was looking after you. Maybe to appease the desert God's, you can add a disclaimer of "No cryptobiotic soil was damaged in the making of this film"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptobiotic_soil:pierce
  2. Thumper Dan

    Thumper Dan Been here awhile

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  3. joefromsf

    joefromsf Dark Happens

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  4. joefromsf

    joefromsf Dark Happens

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    Ken,

    Yeah, I remember our encounter. We did Black Dragon that same day, and camped near some cool Indian pictographs between BD and EC. Did Eagle Canyon the next morning, or did it do me?
  5. mdawg12

    mdawg12 Old and Slow

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    Respect! :nod :super
  6. chrish4ku

    chrish4ku Been here awhile

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    I submitted your video to Tosh.0

    It's that good.

    :rofl
  7. joefromsf

    joefromsf Dark Happens

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    I was waiting for Tosh 1.0, I hate that beta crap. Actually, I know not of which you speaketh. :lol3
  8. Robert_W

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  9. Velociraptor

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    :eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1

    Just saw that today. Sucks to crash like that but sure is good to be lucky and live! Miraculous that there were no major injuries.

    One thing you convinced me of, and that is to carry my Spot tracker on my body!

    Glad you are OK and props to that tough DR!
  10. bimmerx2

    bimmerx2 Been here awhile

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    Well, the good news is that you "stuck" the landing... like a dart!
  11. Trane Francks

    Trane Francks Been here awhile

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    This. Man, this puts a whole new light on that it is to do an epic ride such as the TAT or TCAT. I'm SO glad that you're okay. If I ever go DSing, I'm definitely going to get a SPOT. :huh
  12. NotAllWhoWanderRLost

    NotAllWhoWanderRLost Lost

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    I'm glad to hear your OK. :clap I look forward to seeing again on Tosh.0 :beer
  13. LarryDawg

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    Definately an interesting sport. Has me thinking of an adventure. Your video shows you never know what can happen.
    Larry
  14. Escaped

    Escaped Been here awhile

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    Interesting, the bike appear to land tires down first (front first), tilted to the left. This allowed the suspension to absorb a lot of the initial momentum and let you off before the bike continued on down the hill.

    Mighty considerate of the DR to treat you so well :lol3 Landing any other way would clearly been much worse :eek1
  15. S-curvy

    S-curvy In my dreams....

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    Glad you made it thru your 1st lesson in flight school. Welllll, considering everyone knows we don't often get too many 2nd chances, this experience makes a good case for extra care in the near future.
  16. joefromsf

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    OK, I’ll post up my thoughts on why I crashed. Note that the reason I didn’t cut the first 5 minutes of video before the crash was that I wanted to show I wasn’t riding recklessly and we had a conversation about stopping and dabbing to get thru a hard section. FYI, Darrell and I had conversations before and during the trip reminding ourselves that we were on a very long journey, a long way from home and needed to ride conservatively to be successful.

    At the bottom of this post I've quoted "crofrog" because he has written some good points about what he sees in the video. Unfortunately, the quotes he was replying to are not included, but you can click on it to go back to his post. I also quoted "3DChief" about the reality of long distance ADV touring. I recall Boon Booni, Lutz, sparklr, Queen of Spades, manfromthestix and Flying Dutchman also making comments.

    GPS says I was averaging 12mph in the last 200 feet. I was standing in that section, and my guess is that I was in 2nd gear. As mentioned in prior post, I have upgraded both the front and rear suspension; and I am running a one-tooth lower counter sprocket.

    After looking at the video, before the crash during the climb out of the canyon, most of the terrain to the left is pretty benign, just a moderate slope, but there are some short sections that could have had serious drop-offs. I do not recall having a heightened awareness of danger to the left, even as I approached the step. (my bad – poor situational awareness).

    When I first saw the step, I knew it was a bigger obstacle than anything I had just cruised thru on the climb up the hill. I did go thru a quick decision analysis over whether to stop and scout or just run it. Boy, I wish I had a do over on that decision. (my bad – poor obstacle evaluation)

    I was where I wanted to be when my front tire hit the step at the end of the 5:07 mark. I was trying to avoid that trough to the left of my front tire. In hindsight, with the benefit of the video, I think a line further right would have been better. (my bad – poor line)

    From this point, there’s no memory of the rest of the video, except for a fleeting “this is going to be bad moment”. So the rest is just me analyzing the video.

    Oh, as crofrog and others pointed out I was not covering the brake or clutch. I agree with 3dChief about why we may not be covering all the time, but I knew I was coming upon a challenging spot. As others have mentioned, covering may not have even made a difference. (my bad – poor riding technique)

    The front makes it up the step, and doesn’t look horribly out of place. It looks like the beginning of 5:08 is when the rear hits the step. And soon after things begin to go wrong and get worse. As it turns to 5:10 I am at the cliff edge. So sometime during the 5:08 second I would have come to the realization that me and the bike are no longer where I want them. And sometime during the 5:09 second I was too far along to make any difference. So I think I had about one second where the correct action could have prevented the crash.

    I do have one more picture which shows a skid mark which is very likely from my rear tire. I’m guessing the rear was unweighted after popping up the step and never regained traction.

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    What did I do during that one second?

    I think I saw a comment or two somewhere that mentioned whiskey throttle (I had to look it up). Before seeing the video, that was my first thought. I figured my front bounced up when I hit the step and I fell back grabbing the throttle. I don’t think the action or sound in the video support that scenario though.

    Crofrog suggests that “no action was ever taken to correct the slide”. Got to admit it’s kind of hard to disprove that. But if I had no situational awareness of the cliff hazard, why would I have froze in panic so quickly? I’ve had the rear kick out many times and my instinct would be to stay on the throttle, so it’s possible my reaction was stay on the throttle until the rear hooks up. But then it bothers me that I see no counter-steering. (my bad – reaction to unfolding events)

    Not sure if it was a contributing factor or not, but I think I sound tired in the 5 minutes of video before the crash. There's an occasional heavy sigh. We had only ridden 11 miles that morning and had taken short breaks at Swazey Cabin and under the I-70 bridge so it wasn't that day's riding. But three days prior during our layover days in Moab, I got pretty sick and took a day off and stayed in bed most of the day. I think it was a combination of exhaustion and a cold setting in. I was taking non-drowsy Benydril and ibuprofen during the subsequent riding days.

    So what lessons have I learned. The primary lesson is that I need to ride more conservatively and not accept crashing as part of the game. I don’t want to put my wife and riding partners thru this or a worse scenario again. This was indeed a wake-up call. I’m not getting any younger, but I love adventure riding and plan to continue. I also want to return and complete the TAT. I’ve got to remember the journey and overall experience is what is important to me, not whether or not I was able run an obstacle without scouting, dabbing, duck paddling or even walking the bike through.

    What about skills improvement? I’ve taken several big bike oriented one day training sessions and have Neduro’s DVDs. I’m not a noob. I’ve probably ridden 15k miles of dirt on my wee-strom and another 7k on the DR650. That said I’d like to take the Jimmy Lewis weekend class one of these days. But my goals aren’t really to ride harder terrain or ride faster or even get a smaller bike. I will look at covering my controls more, and unlearn the mantra “when in doubt, gas it out”.

    Thanks for reading.

  17. phoneman

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    I've been looking at this video over the last couple of days and just laughing my butt off--only laughing because you obviously didn't get seriously hurt and it did make for a great video.

    Your video makes a good reminder of just how quickly things can go bad. Sometimes with no good reason.

    I could tell that you weren't riding very fast and it looked like everything was going ok until about 2-3 seconds before you went over the edge. Just how it all happened you probably won't ever figure out.

    How you managed not to land on one of the big rocks and get really busted up was way more than good luck. You should have bought lotto tickets right after leaving the hospital.

    I do apologize for laughing and am glad to see you didn't get hurt as much as the video suggests. Don't you know you are too old to do that stuff anymore ?

    I'm gonna go laugh at the guy that rides his bike off into the creek. Nothing like taking your bike for a swim.
  18. Kampfire

    Kampfire Trucky on two wheels

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    Joe, first off thank you. Thanks for sharing this experience with us all, and thanks for being around to do so.
    Thanks for using this little experience to analyze yourself and teach us about your "situational awareness". It takes a big person to watch the video and then come up with the thoughts that were going thru your head and that ONE second that you had to decide on what was going to happen next.

    Monday morning quarterbacking is always a pastime for some, but unless they have had their head inside a helmet and been knocked out, it's just speculation to me.
    We can practice, take our classes, go to the clinics, and refine our riding styles over & over & over, until the green flag drops. And then... The bs stops.

    After my accident, numerous people told me that was two kinds of motorcycle riders. Ones that had crashed, and ones that haven't crashed yet. It was the ones that had crashed that said things like "glad your OK", or "Man, that sucks doesn't it?" And a rare minority that said, "If had only taken the line that I wanted", or "I was setting up for the turn and WHAM!, it over just like that".

    It's great to get the advice from those who have learned first hand, been there and done it, and then been around to share it with the rest of us so we can learn from it.

    OK, OK, I'll get off my soapbox, and hope to see you out on the trail someday.

    In a perfect world, we wouldn't need SPOT GPS's, pads, helmets, or any other safety equipment. Be careful out there and ride.
  19. seniorasi

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    I've never read a 14 page post completely through since joining ADV until I encountered this one. Incredible story and narration! Thank you for sharing the video and the follow up. There are a number of lessons to be learned from this and I believe your contribution will undoubtedly be useful to more people than you know. Congrats on surviving!
  20. Trane Francks

    Trane Francks Been here awhile

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    I guess it wouldn't exactly be 'adventure' riding, though. Mitigating risk is one thing; not having any whatsoever is something else entirely. I prefer the former. :)