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Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by joefromsf, Mar 3, 2013.
Thanks for sharing this, too. All this helps to put everything into perspective.
Laughter has many flavors. Recognition - that could be me. Empathy - similar happened to me. Survival - it didn't kill you, or me. Defiance - it won't happen, or stop me. Stress - this is so serious I have to laugh. I think there's a lot of nervous laughing, very little mocking laughter about something like this. When someone belittles or mocks, it tells about them, not what they laugh about.
So glad you are ok! I want to add a few comments about SPOT and the lack of a helicopter. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
First; SPOT works, but it has also been grossly abused by many not understanding or not caring what happens when the panic button is pressed. True story, SPOT was activated because the individual was going to be late for a meeting<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" oreferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><vath o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></vath><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape style="WIDTH: 11.25pt; HEIGHT: 11.25pt; VISIBILITY: visible; mso-wrap-style: square" id=Picture_x0020_1 alt="0" type="#_x0000_t75" o:spid="_x0000_i1025"><v:imagedata o:title="0" src="file:///C:\Users\cmille33\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape> well he made the meeting with the sheriff! Also there are far more False activations than true emergencies so there is a "little boy cried wolf" with some SAR agencies.<o></o>
This crash definitely warrants a helicopter ride. Although you're probably looking at 10-15k yes your life and limbs are worth that. You don't need first responders on scene or a "safe LZ" as some said, if you're flying air-medical, you have landed a helicopter before and don't need someone on the ground telling you when your skids touch down. But that also depends on the relationship between the local fire/ems and the sheriff. That said not all air-medical groups are the same. But it is safe to say that if you are flying in Southern UT than you do remote back country scene work.<o></o>
Joe, I just found this thread after reading a recent post of yours and ER70S' in the DR650 thread. Man, am I glad you're alright! I watched the crash portion twice, but I couldn't bring myself to do it a third time (gotta keep positive thoughts in my head).
I sincerely thank you for posting this. It's made me think, "what if?" Some folks brought up good points about keeping the controls covered, but my natural reaction at a low speed, falling to a side, is always to steer into it and gas it to stand the bike back up (think about motorcycle cops when they're navigating tight turns). I now realize, in tight terrain (and where the world decides to fall away 12+ feet), is to just drop the bike! Easier said than done, I know, because all too often our motorcycle brain wants us to stay upright. But, if it happens, I think I'm better prepared thanks to your experience.
Although I hope I'll never have to use it, it's also good to know the SPOT's 911 button works as advertised.
Take care, and I hope you're well!
Getting a Spot!!
On the DR650, once the tail end gains momentum in any direction other than the one intended, you're finished, the bike is going down. Too much weight and too much torque on those things to the point where the tire looses traction very easily.. not a good weight:torque ratio, especially for the type of terrain you were riding.
I'm leaning in that direction as well.
Joe.....It doesn't matter how long you have ridden, or how "good" you are, when you ride in terrain like the western TAT there is great potential for a fall, we can look back and say ( cover the clutch) ( cover the breaks) ( slow down) ( you need more experience ), but when it's all said and done if you ride much off road you will fall sometime.
it was just a bad place to fall in this case.
I have ridden dual sport for 35 years and I have taken some falls in a simple loose rock or slick rock section......it happens.
just glad you didn't do any damage that would keep you from doing what you love to do.
If you do get one, wear it on your person. Not with the bike. Second, once you hit the "Oh Shit" button, do not move the spot. The spot system will see you moving and assume it was an inadvertant hit.
First off...glad you were not seriously injured and have shared your experience. SPOT purchase in my future.
Edited...remind me not to try and theorize...I fail!
I found this looking thru the new posts today...only recently joined the ADVr forum. An observation I noted while watching the video and subsequent theory...take it with a grain of salt. And something I've experienced, and been fortunate to have some not-so unforgiving terrain to recover in.
It appears to me you were rodeo'd forward (probably not off the peg/s) onto your tankbag at 5:07. The front wheel came back down after hitting the first step and cased into the next one. Watching your video up to that point there were only a couple occasions where we got a view of the front fender (sat down or looked down), and not so much of it. Feet or just the right foot came of the pegs...note shadow of the fender not right foot in image below (yes that is the fender...how the hell could a foot cast a shadow in the opposite direction of the sun). For the next couple of seconds you were along for the ride and didn't have enough runoff to fully regain control. You were trying to...just shit-luck it happened where it did.
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Sorry, I don't see any foot shadows. Just the front wheel and fender.
Duh! I'm stupid. I'll go back to being a n00b now...
No need! You got the OP out of lurk mode, well done
I agree. Watching the video made a little sick to my stomach.
Well I definitely missed this. In retrospect, I'm rather glad to see you getting up to hijinx a few weekends back.
I'm obviously a late comer to this thread. A recent posting of this video on the KLR group on Facebook caught my eye. I've read through a bunch of posts, and I believe I see why the sharp left turn and it has really opened my eyes to how quickly things can go wrong.
I've attached a picture with the 5:07 and 5:08 frames side by side. In the 5:07 frame the bike is heading right and riding directly toward the angled edge that I have circled. Shortly after the 5:08 frame the front tire is going to start turning to the left and act likes it is sliding along the angled edge. The handlebars turn to the left and the bike leans to the left like the front end is starting to wash out. The front end catches and the bike starts to move to the left, but then it acts like the rear tire follows along the path or towards the right instead of following the bike, causing the bike to veer even sharper left. Doing all this under power with the clutch out means there is very little chance to recover once the bike has settled into it's new direction.
Looking at picture in the OP's post 196, it looks like it is just the initial square edged corner in combination with the sloping of the rock surface towards the right edge of the path that caused the slippage as the bike moved back left. The bottom line is we are all always a little closer to the edge then we care to realize and this video so clearly shows that.
If I rotate the image so that he hills in the background are more level it's easier to see why the bike would want to slide to the right (turn to the left).
I was thinking maybe the OP was dehydrated. It seems like he was going slow enough to stop as the bike turned to the left. I know I am totally Monday morning quaterbacking and video isn't being there. It just seems like something one would do when he is tired and half out of it.
I pulled right out in front of an suv this evening in a parking lot, after a 200 mile ride. Driver honked and missed me, through no fault of my own.
I like funny face plants....this isn't funny. I've learned that often rocks either move or at least surprise you once you decide to navigate over them. I really try to stay on the dirt itself, much more predictable. But man.....this could have happened to anyone. Scary