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Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by MrBob, Dec 26, 2013.
Yeah it must be the pride kids have in smoking pot now, right? Do your kids brag about it?
The self righteous are shameless.
HOW ABOUT THOSE BRONCOS !!!!!!
Generations of teenagers and young adults alike have been smoking pot for decades. Many of them are now middle aged and retirement age, and some are still recreating with marijuana. Some are posting on ADVRider, undoubtedly. Can you point to anything we should be worried about with these people? Will the worries be anything significant, anything that isn't fear-based? Should I avoid white bread? I rent in Denver in an older building so I had to sign a lead acknowledgment with the lease...I guess I shouldn't eat the paint off my walls.
If you cared about the children, doc, you'd be showing us graphs of the number of children displaced with parents imprisoned for non-violent minor drug offenses. The vast majority of them have been charged with simple possession of small amounts of marijuana, if not repeated offenses of the same (which is no worse a crime to me than a one-time affair because 3 non-crimes don't make a crime). And what about the children displaced, traumatized, harmed, and even killed by the larger War on Drugs?
What about the number of children and teenagers traumatized, harmed or killed each year in alcohol related incidents?
Yeah, its about family. That what our kids are, right.
Now that is an intelligent response. The War on Drugs has been often misguided toward individuals who have been severely punished for only personal use, whatever it is. Suppliers should have been nabbed and prosecuted, but when police forces get involved there are lots of overeager, erroneous actions. I guess I have nothing else to add except that I think the legalization and pot shops in Colorado will lead to many new cases of drug problems with our young people. If you have children, please steer them away from MJ and other drugs, including misuse of alcohol. That is all, pull for those Broncos tomorrow (and the Seahawks of course).
He quit pot and became a great mechanic? I would have expected brain surgeon. The problem was't the pot, it was an addiction to Big Air. I remember telling Andy to just say NO to big air. I even offered to let him pull my finger if he wanted big air.
Doc, E-I came out and you still sound anything but "convinced". Seems to me that you are digging in even harder. You are almost repeating the same arguments that have been around for 150 years. Failed arguments.
I cannot remember a single person from my high school (big school) who did not try MJ - and I knew a lot of people there.
Our last 3 Presidents were users! Yes, I agree all 3 of them sucked and suck still. . . but the contested point is "tried weed", not sucked at American leadership. Our Olympic greats smoked. Our brightest prison cell block gang leaders. Willie Nelson.
Look Doc, you don't have a lick of experience with this drug. You were born and raised in an era where MJ and users were vehemently criminalized and demonized. The most absurd commercials were crammed into your psyche as a teen (just taking an educated guess to your age here).
How many of your friends or acquaintances from your life have you seen "succumb to the evil drug"? Are they all stoned-out heathens who can't rise their asses from the sweat-stained couch they lovingly refer to as, Cloud 9?
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Just out curiosity, are you concerned youngsters are/will be more likely to smoke pot as the negative itself, or that such a likelihood would lead to some other worse negative behavior? If the latter, what exactly is this worse negative better that there is a direct correlation to? Ignoring, of course, one of the major tenants of statistical analysis in that correlation doesn't equate to causation.
The reason I ask is I didn't quite make it all the way into genius math circles, but I did interact with some fairly intelligent mathletes. Some of which were invited to speak at conferences and eventually became published. Of these, a handful of them were using marijuana fairly regularly. Perhaps that was the dividing factor between them being in the top 2% at a state school and MIT, but that is a little like saying drinking cola or beer is what held back a national champion mountain biker from being an olympic gold medalist. As long as the person is a productive, and more importantly happy, self-fulfilling, and responsible, member of society I fail to recognize a negative.
Granted many people I knew/know smoke(ed) pot and are completely worthless or working less than a white collar job which is at least implicitly looked down about at this point. I also know an equal amount of people who are sober, or only drink, who fit it either category. My personal experience has shown that is has more to do with one's personality what path in life they take than the particular substances they chose to ingest. Extrapolating, that would leave me to believe children who are raised by caring, productive, and responsible parents grow up themselves in such a likeness with other influences being less of a factor. Perhaps it was my rural upbringing but I saw alcohol and television cause more problems than marijuana.
Amsoil and Scott's stainless steel oil filters.
WD-40 to lube a chain.
I LIKE PIZZA !!!
Yeah, Amsoil and their filters will get you 10000 miles of highway highs. And diesel smoke is second only to .45 smoke. And my attempts to illuminate the trend toward heavier use of mind altering chemicals is just as effecdtive as:
Horse beating? This sounds like the WA bestiality tendency mentioned elsewhere.
Interesting article on our front page today.
Doc, I don't think many disagree with adverse effects from overuse of pot. I've seen friends of my kids burn our their brains from overuse while still developing. It was and will still be illegal for kids. They will still find ways to get it. We need to destigmatize people with drug problems and see that they can get treatment for a disease. As shown above, overuse of anything is dangerous. Percocet, trans-fats, sugar, alcohol, motorcycles.... Where laws cannot (or should not) regulate a substance, we need to rely on individual judgement.
WD-40 on your chain will lead to blindness, sterility, and brain damage.
Getting ready to ride next weekend, should i run tubes, tubliss or bibs? And why?
My first 12 years were spent in the country north of Snohomish. Tobacco (chewing) was prevalent with grade schoolers. At recess we would fight, chase girls and chew'backy. I didn't try weed until I got to Texas.
For the record I don't smoke weed, and I don't use tobacco.
I have family (including teen and preteen nephews and nieces, and a middle-school teacher) in Marysville, Bellingham and Battleground. Everything is much more controlled and from what I've been told tobacco and drug use (and fighting!) is much lower than when we were kids in the 70's/80's. I don't have any stats/graphs but I do have people in the system.
I grew up with MJ and lots of other stuff around me (in TX and CA), and sometimes in me, and i turned into a productive member of society without any long-term. . . um, any long. . .term. . . shit, there are ANTS all over me again!
Point is, say hello to Snohomish, the Pilchuck River and that ocean for me, would ya? Those good old days of horses, tobacco, trees, sunshine, river water and that awesome ocean (I try to forget all of the rain).
Off to Pawnee!
One of each.
Washington has grown on me (we are here because of the kids), but I am also doing broad geology research, thus I have access to millions of acres of private land so I can ride the DR endlessly. And Mt. Rainier is my drug for sure.