Where to buy your high?

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by MrBob, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. MountainsandRivers

    MountainsandRivers loves dirty things!

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    Doc, do you get that we understand that there are cases where it is abused, as most other drugs and alcohol, but the average person posting here is probably more like the have a puff after a long work day, or a hit while riding, not sucking down 3 foot bongs all the time and being unproductive? There are different levels of users and abusers and it affects people differently. I am glad that we have a choice at least. I think everyone here that uses knows that sure it isn't healthy, but neither is a daily beer, even MGD. Neither is fried food, processed food, dirt bikes, etc. We know this, and yet enjoy our indulgences. Why does it seem like you are trying to come across as some DARE mom? Yes, there are cases where people have had issues, but there are lots of people who get by just fine as occasional recreational users, and plenty that hold very high profile jobs.
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    Yes, I get it. I couldn't give a crap about whether you use and ride and use and not ride. You can kid yourself that you ride better, play better, yada yada, but it is our kids that I care about, and there is a great rise in teen use of MJ and leading to other drug experiments. You could argue that legalization will help people who need it for pain, etc., but the bottom line is that many more young people will get into drug use. Here is the data from NIH concerning expansion of youth involvement with MJ
    from 1993 to 2008:
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    interesting. What was the demographic? How many involved, all across the nation I assume? I am not trying to be combative, necessarily, and only really know the most about what I have personally done and experienced. I know more friends drank than smoked in middle school/ high school and turned out okay. I also wonder how many people actually answer these questions honestly. I think there will be an increase in use, and probably in about 10 years, it will be back to about the same levels as alcohol because the newness will have worn off. Also, your graph seems to alarm me about old people and their drinking more than anything. Can you get them in control?
  4. arroyo

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    FWIW, there is nothing on that graph to support the concept of 'expanding youth involvement' between 1993 and 2008. For that statement to be correct, the graph would need to include data by age bracket from earlier time periods, i.e. 1978-1993 vs. 1993-2008, etc...:wink:
  5. AnnieGS

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    ...and there's no discussion of the increased propensity of young people to self-disclose. It's hard to measure if the actual use rate has gone up, or just the nerve to talk about it.
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    The NIH sourced article states that MJ use doubled during the 1993-2008 period reflected in the plot. Here is the article and there are many references that are excellent as well
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797098/#b65-ascp-04-1-4

    And you should read the comments with the article from doctors who treat young people seriously involved with MJ.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797100/

    This is the best data set available and I don't think earlier decades have been studied as such.
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    Yeah it must be the pride kids have in smoking pot now, right? Do your kids brag about it?
  8. AnnieGS

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    Bringing family into it, now? Classy.
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    Generations of teenagers and young adults alike have been smoking pot for decades. Many of them are now middle aged and retirement age, and some are still recreating with marijuana. Some are posting on ADVRider, undoubtedly. Can you point to anything we should be worried about with these people? Will the worries be anything significant, anything that isn't fear-based? Should I avoid white bread? I rent in Denver in an older building so I had to sign a lead acknowledgment with the lease...I guess I shouldn't eat the paint off my walls.

    If you cared about the children, doc, you'd be showing us graphs of the number of children displaced with parents imprisoned for non-violent minor drug offenses. The vast majority of them have been charged with simple possession of small amounts of marijuana, if not repeated offenses of the same (which is no worse a crime to me than a one-time affair because 3 non-crimes don't make a crime). And what about the children displaced, traumatized, harmed, and even killed by the larger War on Drugs?
    What about the number of children and teenagers traumatized, harmed or killed each year in alcohol related incidents?
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    Yeah, its about family. That what our kids are, right.
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    Now that is an intelligent response. The War on Drugs has been often misguided toward individuals who have been severely punished for only personal use, whatever it is. Suppliers should have been nabbed and prosecuted, but when police forces get involved there are lots of overeager, erroneous actions. I guess I have nothing else to add except that I think the legalization and pot shops in Colorado will lead to many new cases of drug problems with our young people. If you have children, please steer them away from MJ and other drugs, including misuse of alcohol. That is all, pull for those Broncos tomorrow (and the Seahawks of course).
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    He quit pot and became a great mechanic? I would have expected brain surgeon. The problem was't the pot, it was an addiction to Big Air. I remember telling Andy to just say NO to big air. I even offered to let him pull my finger if he wanted big air.

    Doc, E-I came out and you still sound anything but "convinced". Seems to me that you are digging in even harder. You are almost repeating the same arguments that have been around for 150 years. Failed arguments.

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    Doc -
    I cannot remember a single person from my high school (big school) who did not try MJ - and I knew a lot of people there.
    Our last 3 Presidents were users! Yes, I agree all 3 of them sucked and suck still. . . but the contested point is "tried weed", not sucked at American leadership. Our Olympic greats smoked. Our brightest prison cell block gang leaders. Willie Nelson.

    Look Doc, you don't have a lick of experience with this drug. You were born and raised in an era where MJ and users were vehemently criminalized and demonized. The most absurd commercials were crammed into your psyche as a teen (just taking an educated guess to your age here).

    How many of your friends or acquaintances from your life have you seen "succumb to the evil drug"? Are they all stoned-out heathens who can't rise their asses from the sweat-stained couch they lovingly refer to as, Cloud 9?

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    Just out curiosity, are you concerned youngsters are/will be more likely to smoke pot as the negative itself, or that such a likelihood would lead to some other worse negative behavior? If the latter, what exactly is this worse negative better that there is a direct correlation to? Ignoring, of course, one of the major tenants of statistical analysis in that correlation doesn't equate to causation.

    The reason I ask is I didn't quite make it all the way into genius math circles, but I did interact with some fairly intelligent mathletes. Some of which were invited to speak at conferences and eventually became published. Of these, a handful of them were using marijuana fairly regularly. Perhaps that was the dividing factor between them being in the top 2% at a state school and MIT, but that is a little like saying drinking cola or beer is what held back a national champion mountain biker from being an olympic gold medalist. As long as the person is a productive, and more importantly happy, self-fulfilling, and responsible, member of society I fail to recognize a negative.

    Granted many people I knew/know smoke(ed) pot and are completely worthless or working less than a white collar job which is at least implicitly looked down about at this point. I also know an equal amount of people who are sober, or only drink, who fit it either category. My personal experience has shown that is has more to do with one's personality what path in life they take than the particular substances they chose to ingest. Extrapolating, that would leave me to believe children who are raised by caring, productive, and responsible parents grow up themselves in such a likeness with other influences being less of a factor. Perhaps it was my rural upbringing but I saw alcohol and television cause more problems than marijuana.
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