I am listening. I test road the f800r today. I think I have started a thread about two bikes I though represented some sort of standard for spirited street riding and that they would be versatile, too. I have found them both to be too sporty for me. Too tight a cockpit. A little too firm a ride. I am learning. I am out of ideas. But. Maybe the 800st is the right compromise. I have to live with the plastic but is the riding crouch a little more relaxed or identical to the 800r. A little more space between seat and peg or pegs a little more forward? It could be also that I am wearing Motoport stretch kevlar jeans and they have a lot of armor. Ankle to hip. And perhaps there are parts available to lower the peg a bit.