Which used trials bike to look for???

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  1. Gordy

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    OK, I have been passively looking for a good used used trials bike for some time now. After attending the Sipapu National Trials last weekend, the passive looking has moved to active. :bert
    What brand, size, year and model should I look for, and more importanly, which ones to avoid? :scratch

    I have a line on a '02 Sherco 290. Are there any known problems with this model?
    For example; I really like the Montesa four stroke, but heard that the early models had FI problems. :dunno That knocks the used ones out of contention for me.
    I have been doing research and of course every new years model has "many improvements". For my trials skill level, I am sure that most of these improvements fall into the law of diminishing returns. :lol2

    I just don't want to buy the trials world's version of Honda's v-tec or BMW's stoopit linked brakes. :fishie

    Any help with my quest will be appreciated! :thumb
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    It would be a bitch to clean a narrow section on that one.


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    For beginners first choice, if you are serious, I would pick a beta 270, 02-03 or newer. They are very well built and are very easy to ride, good smooth power band and good suspension. An excellent bike for both begginer and seasoned veteran.With a weighted fly wheel they feel like they have an electric motor. Beta also has an excellent US distributor, makes geting parts easier.
    Next choice would be a montessa t315 2stroke again very well built, motor by hrc, good handling. Next would be a scorpa 125 or 160 4 stroke, yamaha powered, easy riding and bullit proof motors.
    The sherco 290 and the Gas Gas 270-300's are more of an upper level riders bike. Very snappy for a trials bike, not what a begginner wants. I have also found that , as far as gas gas is concerned they have been very agressive in saving weight, with makes for a more breakable bike, they dont take the abuse as well as a beta or montessa. Gas Gas also makes a 200 which is a very good bike, but still somewhat lacking in the duability department.
    I learned one thing when I bought my montessa, dont buy a used trials from an intermediate level rider, get one from an expert or a beginner. The beginner will not try the knarly stuff and throw the bike away not making it, the ex/pro wont throw the bike away becuase they can make the knarly stuff. But the intermediate, has the hankerin to go big but not the skills and will abuse the bike by tossing it off of 6' ledges and drop it down a 12' face into the rocks. I bought a bike from a long time intermediate, though i didnt know it at the time, and he rode the hell out of it. Consequently it was worn out, and as I progressed i found myself tossing it off of ledges and into 3' deep creeks abusing it as bad as the previous owner.
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    Thats funny, almost as funny as the local PD's bomb squad got 4 of those things @12k a piece. It was a riot watching a bomb squad guy in all his gear noodling around as the LE bigwigs went on and on about how safe they will make us from terrorists.:kboom
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    cevquit,

    That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Thanks! :thumb

    I had heard that there was some fairly significant manner differences between all of them.

    The last time I rode trials was on a TL125 punched out to 150!:lol2 I was doing it in the amateur class as cross-training for MX, but really enjoyed it. Should never have quit.:cry

    I am all over looking for the Beta. :nod

    Thanks again!!
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    DRinda505 I'm right behind you.

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    Try one of the Gamma Gamma Gamma rides. They will move when you ride them.

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    sorry, couldn't resist. I could hook you up with Bill's email, you could probably ride several models on a club ride day. PM me if interested.
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    :scratch what are you typing about???


    PUI ?? :dunno
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    fwiw, I just started last year and after riding them all, I went with the Beta. For a beginner like me, the smooth power and 50/50 weight distribution of the Beta is almost like cheating :lol3 It'll climb like it has 4WD.

    I started as a complete noob in the Novice class last October and have moved all the way up to Intermediate already. I have a good coach, and have had lots of practice. Be warned, though, trials is so adicting, it ought to be illegal :lol3
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    Here's my two cents. I've been competing at trials off and on for over twenty years. I ride the local Expert or Sportmans class, depending on how I feel. My current ride is a 250 Beta Rev 3. I agree and disagree with some of the info so far.

    If you are buying used, I would try and find a bike from a novice or lower class rider. A top level Expert can be very hard on a machine. A lot of older afluent riders will buy a new bike every year. Try and snap one of these machines up. Buying a used trials bike is like buying any other used dirt bike. Look it over good. Pay special attention to the wheels. Still round? No broken spokes and banged up wheels? Make sure the brakes and clutch all work smoothly. Check all the bearings, etc. Straight bars and levers? Trials riding is about precision and a worn out bike is miserable to ride.

    The modern 272cc machines all have a lot of snap. Don't pay any attention to advertised numbers. GG, Sherco and Beta are all 272cc. I believe the Scorpa is a 250cc and a Montesa 315 is a 250cc. Beta makes a 250 as does GG and Sherco, but these are imported in limited numbers, because Americans always want big bikes. So in the used market, 250's can be hard to find. You can ride a 272, it just won't be as forgiving as the 250.

    Plus as mentioned earlier, there are 200's available. Again, hard to find in the used market. If your a big guy or ride at altitude, I would not recommend one. If not and you find a clean version, 200's are fine. Patrick Smage can ride and bridge gaps on his 125 that we can't do on our big bikes.

    GG Pros have gotten a bum rap about reliability. I owned a 03 280 Pro for two years. In the hands of an average rider, you've got nothing to worry about. But if I had to chose, I'd pick the Beta and Monty for stone axe reliablity. The GG Editions or models before the Pros were bullet proof. If you can find one of those, it would be a good choice also.

    I personally don't like the Montesa 315's. They handle differently than the others. Just takes some getting used to, but they are built by Honda and very good quality.

    I would not get stuck on any one particual model. You just want to find the bike in the best condition, in your price range. If the bike functions properly, it will be yourself holding you back, not the bike.
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    I am having little luck finding anything close in my price range. I have some phone #s to try tomorrow though.

    I may have to make it look like a KTM so my wife won't notice the wierd bike in the garage. :lol3

    Lots of good info here, thanks! :nod
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    What's your price range?
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    I was looking for a new trials bike and ended up with a ktm 640 and the wife noticed.
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    A couple of years ago I bought a used 2001 Montesa 315 Cota from an expert level rider. The thing was beat to hell and I did a frame-up rebuild on it replacing a lot of worn out stuff. I really enjoyed the process and got a great deal on the bike otherwise it wouldn't have been worth it.

    You should certainly be able to find something in your price range in decent shape. I looked for about six months and saw a lot of abused machines. Pay attention to wheel condition, footpegs, axle bolts and adjusters, fork tubes, etc. The little things add up quick.

    Have fun!
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    I would go with one that is beat down for a beat down price.
    That would be OK, but would probably push me out of this years riding season.

    Still looking this morning............
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    wasn't MR Cob selling one a while back? don't recall if he sold it or not...

    would loove to get a used learner also. for me and the kids. would be a great way to get them into motorcycles.:thumb
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    I am new into Trials riding and bought a Montesa 315. I found it at a Trials event, I guy was upgrading to a Honda 4 stroke. (good place to look, or the local Trials club) It was in really good shape and it cost me $ 3,000.00. Of course a had to fix/upgrade it and that was a lot of fun. It made me want to restore an older one some day. I rebuild suspension, pegs, handlebar, levers ect. I didn't have to do any of work, but, couldn't resist.

    I'm a Honda fan so it works for me, plus it will get handed down to my wife and son someday.

    Good luck, be patient, you will find the right bike at the right price...Jim
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    :nod Lot's of bang for the buck! I see lots of kids at the events. Some are on the minis and some of the 10-14 year olds are really good. I think this appeals to the X-Games sports that they watch, if you can get them interested. My oldest daughter went to the national with her boyfriend. They had never been to any M/C event and were blown away by the talent exibited. :nod
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