Who has owned a DR650 and a KTM690?

Discussion in 'Australia' started by live4daride, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. live4daride

    live4daride Been here awhile

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    Hi guys, don't worry, I don't want to start another "which bike?" thread where we end up comparing postie's against Hayabusa :cromag.
    As the title states, who's owned both? I am interested in hearing your thoughts and experience, as opposed to speculation, which there is plenty. How much better/capable, given the extra money, is the KTM ?

    I have a reasonbly well set up DR, and a while ago rode a friends mostly standard KTM, and didn't think the DR was that far off. The KTM had a wider spread of power, but the DR would do very similar speeds on a given dirt road/easy fire trails.

    I have mainly used the DR for road riding and fast dirtroad riding as well as going to the shops, work or taking the girlie for a double, and have constantly thought this was the best $4700 I have spent, and so far have not had any complaints about the bike. Recently i have been getting it on to more rougher fire trails and am quickly finding limits with suspension and weight and throttle response. ( I'm used to riding sports bikes at track days,enduro bikes, dirt track and speedway)

    What I am thinking, is : Do i try and upgrade suspension, already have gold valves, heavier springs, rear shock revalve, so would be looking at different forks and shock, add pumper carby etc or go for a KTM?
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  2. ADVJake

    ADVJake ***** dweller

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    Owned a DR650 for an extended period, rode a KTM 690 for abit, back to back with an XR650R.
    Theres not much in it, XRR vs 690.
    They both have race heritage.

    The DR is in a whole nother league, its designed to be a bush cruiser, rather than a racer.
    Its easier to ride the KTM fast, the DR will do everything, but its subjective whether it will be as fun. Depends what riding does for you.
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  3. sidetrack one

    sidetrack one Chief Tiddler

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    Rossco ACT is your man, although he seems to be MIA these days, havent seem him on the forum now for quite a while!:D
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  4. lentil

    lentil All round nice guy Super Moderator

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    Calling carmima to the batphone
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  5. GodSilla

    GodSilla I did that.

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    :lol3 He could certainly describe how they feel when they detonate beneath you while riding them.
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  6. lentil

    lentil All round nice guy Super Moderator

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    I had dinner with the great man late last year and he said that he was thinking about moving on from the 690 :cry
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  7. stujamur

    stujamur keep rollin rollin rollin

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    B1 has owned both (and many many others) . He went dr to 690 ( which i dont think he was mad about ) and is looking at dr again .

    He would be good to talk to .
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  8. Beer'o'clock Baz

    Beer'o'clock Baz Long timer

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    He hates the 690 that much he built a website about how bad he thought it was :huh and I seen him ride both his DR and the 690 and he is much more at home on the DR

    It all depends what you want outa a bike the two you have picked dont have much in common , no one else can choose for you , mickd has owned both bikes and im sure he would have differant views than B1
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  9. podge NT

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    I have had both. I enjoyed the 690 as an enduro bike, then I tried to turn it into an adventure bike, Big mistake, spent thousands to have a totally impractible machine. Now I have an 800 XC for an adventure bike, great and a DR650 for the snotty stuff. I did 23500 km nearly trouble free on the 690 but never got to be comfortable with the headshake or the lack of comfort on a long ride.
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  10. Beer'o'clock Baz

    Beer'o'clock Baz Long timer

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    see different views completly - hey podge looking at a rmx 250 for single track and hill climbs you know much about them ?
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  11. podge NT

    podge NT Podge NT

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    Not a lot I have a TTR 250 for that.
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  12. B1

    B1 Carbon-based bipedal

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    well i don't need to say anything now you guys have said it for me. :lol3 yeah, i didn't like the 2009 690r and sold it very quickly. posted positive and negative points of the kato here.

    whereas this video sums up my thoughts on the DR...

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/spAq8JuXVUY?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    it's all subjective though e.g. i never had problems with headshake but guys who love their katos do. checked out all the 690 threads around and it seems like there are roughly three equal groups:
    - those who loved their kato right from the start
    - others who really got into the bike once they spent the moolah to get it working for them
    - the rest of us whingers who just didn't like it, or didn't want to spend the extra needed on an already expensive bike.

    some will disagree, but generally the DR650 and the 690R both need suspension work to get them working for most riders.

    weight-wise there isn't a lot in it, the 690 picked up some extra weight in 2012 and i think was 142kg dry (earlier models were 138kg), the DR650 is 145kg dry.

    huge difference in engines, the 690R has almost double the power. the DR has great bottom end and chugs away from idle happily, the 690R needs mods to iron out its snappy lumpy engine response down low. the DR engine is great if you are happy with 34HP at the rear wheel, but you can't beat the kato for frenzied fish tailing in almost any gear once it's over 5000rpm.

    i did ride B2's 690 after all the mods he did and thought i would have kept mine if it had been like that already. but would have had to sell a kidney to afford the mods. :D i still didn't like the close ratios of the gearbox but not much you can do about that. and that's a just a personal thing, half the reason i like big thumpers is so you aren't changing gears constantly. if you ride aggressively most of the time and like to keep a bike on the boil the gearbox works great imo....

    i reckon the only way to be sure is get a decent ride on a 690 in a variety of conditions and speed and see what you reckon. perfection for me would be if they brought out the XR650 again with an e-start. heaven!
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  13. podge NT

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    [QUOTE=B1;20709275

    some will disagree, but generally the DR650 and the 690R both need suspension work to get them working for most riders.

    Your right there my 690 cost $1000 to get the suspension done but the DR only cost $400. But the DR will never have the travel of the 690
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  14. Wop

    Wop Been here awhile

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    Hi B2.. I have one and know a little about them, what would you like to know?
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  15. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    By swapping the forks and shock on the DR and selling off the originals you can get the DR going good for not a lot of $s, especially if you can do the work yourself. My DR with FCR and KTM WP CC forks and KTM Ohlins shock is great, and so much better than whatever can be done with the stock stuff.
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  16. Oz-Strom

    Oz-Strom Still trying

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    I have owned both - 2006 DR from new, and a 2nd hand low mileage 2008 690E in 2011 for $10k with Wings muffler, pannier rails, safari tank and a few other bits. They are quite different bikes, but can do the same riding/terrain, just differently. The DR never really got me excited - more of a workhorse type of bike. I haven't spent much on the 690, and would have spent more on the DR trying to make it better for my purposes.

    My 690 upgrades

    - cheap fork fix with new oil and increased air gap (great to have adjustable suspension too for switching between riding loaded and unloaded).
    - reshaped seat with better foam
    - replaced the fuel pump with CW as a precaution and fitted external fuel filter
    - pivotpegz
    - hammerhead gear lever
    - cheap screen (pinched it off my Aprilia Pegaso)
    - B&B rear rack and a couple of tool tubes
    - bar risers and steering damper

    So similar upgrades (FX carb in lieu of fuel pump) for both really, except the DR needs more money spent on suspension which has to be done. I did the APC in 2012 on the 690 and it was a comfortable, fast (enough for me) and reliable. No headshake or fuelling/mapping issues to date.

    For me it is a no-brainer. The 690 is such a better bike than the old school DR, and makes me smile every time I ride it. It has done 25k kms hassle free.
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  17. carmima

    carmima All Orange :-)

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    Just noticed the thread!! I'm a bit MIA these days too.

    As ADVJake said, there really no comparison between a DR and a 690.

    Without trying to be a smartarse, if you took a 690 for a ride and thought it wasn't dissimilar to the DR, then no amount of replies on here are going to be much assistance - sorry.

    However as I'm here and replying, I'll make this observation. The 690 has more power to weight 'get up and go' than the KTM990. I owned a DR650 and went from that to the 690 and there was no comparison I could make, the 2 bikes are nothing alike. Especially in the power department.
    While I owned the 690 I also bought a new 990, so was able to jump from one to the other and do actual back to back comparisons of power. The 690 had much quicker acceleration (to a point) than the 990.

    Now to put that into some sort of perspective...would you consider the DR to be anything near equal to a 990?

    I'm not saying the 690 is the greatest bike either. Value for money, the DR wins on just about any bike out there (in my opinion).

    The addictive thing about the 690 is the power...however the rest of the bike is a sort of compromise (again, in my opinion), neither a MX'er or a very good enduro and nothing close to a great ADV bike - go buy a 640 for that.

    The 690 is at home on fairly open fire trails and mild single track. It's best at being a suburban hooligan bike though (even without supermoto wheels). It's lightening fast from the lights and pulls wheelies in just about any gear. Great at doing stoppies and best for losing points off your license :D

    Hope that might help
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  18. podge NT

    podge NT Podge NT

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    Well said
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  19. B1

    B1 Carbon-based bipedal

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    true... but while the DR isn't lightning quick it will wheelie in the first four gears too with standard gearing and no engine mods. :D
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  20. carmima

    carmima All Orange :-)

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    That (I believe) depends on the size/weight of the fat arse seated on the DR :lol3
    No offense meant
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