Who prefers the AC over the LC & why?

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by mkletecka, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. painkilla

    painkilla MeTaL HeD

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2006
    Oddometer:
    260
    Location:
    in front of you
    the new LC GS do not look like an adventure bike , it looks/is a road bike trying to be a dirt bike .

    The air cooled GS's look like muscular dirt bike ,which looks way cooler IMO
    #21
  2. Desert2202

    Desert2202 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Oddometer:
    811
    Location:
    Alice Springs Central Australia
    :clap
    #22
  3. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2004
    Oddometer:
    3,204
    Location:
    GREECE!
    Kidding right?
    That was one of the arguments of 1150GS owners vs 1200GS.
    #23
  4. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2004
    Oddometer:
    3,204
    Location:
    GREECE!
    Yeah right...

    <object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/MImBGeTJ7OI?version=3&amp;hl=el_GR"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/MImBGeTJ7OI?version=3&amp;hl=el_GR" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
    #24
  5. portablejohn

    portablejohn Sociophobe

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Oddometer:
    2,009
    Location:
    Delaware
    I like the points on the windshield. Poke out both of your eyes at the same time.:rofl
    #25
  6. /dev/null

    /dev/null Been here awhile

    Joined:
    May 24, 2011
    Oddometer:
    177
    Location:
    Southern California, USA
    Dude, c'mon, that was a road. It was just not well surfaced, and kind of narrow in places. :rofl
    #26
  7. tmgs

    tmgs ...Trailers are for Boats

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2006
    Oddometer:
    1,010
    Location:
    N. E. Georgia, Space Coast FL.(sometimes)
    i've not test rode on the "water" cooled gs yet, I will when I have time, but honestly, I see no reason to go to a newer GS, water cooled more Hp more gadgets has no interest to me at all on the GS, better MPG might. getting some 38mpg is fine, but I liked over 40 better.ut my old shovel head my GSA needs that huge tank,
    #27
  8. JoshBMW

    JoshBMW Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2010
    Oddometer:
    453
    Location:
    Seattle Wa
    Hell that's still a valid argument!!!! :rofl



    The new LC is a better bike. Minor quibble is the dumb ass turn signals but what ever.

    LC's main issue for me is it looks like a vampire duck. The whole head just looks bad. I could not a) afford one or b) force my self to ride it; it's just fing ugly.

    The "new" GSA looks MUCH better in the leaked pics.
    #28
  9. JM

    JM Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    Oddometer:
    785
    That argument is still a valid point. I much prefer the looks of my '03 1150GSA compared to the look of my '13 1200GSA. On the other hand I much prefer the power and handling of the 1200GSA.

    Way to much plastic on the new style bikes.
    #29
  10. oldfool

    oldfool Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2006
    Oddometer:
    768
    Location:
    San Pedro, california
    At the moment I prefer the ac over the lc because I believe less is more, except in the case of money or drugs. That is until I ride one. Then who knows. I understand the things about the wc that make it technically better then the ac. Till then I will suffer with my HP2 and the less is more ideal. Richard.
    #30
  11. spagthorpe

    spagthorpe Long timer

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2002
    Oddometer:
    15,191
    Location:
    San Diego
    I don't like the styling on the LC. I like the way an 1150 GSA looks, quirky as it may be. I love the bulbous tank actually made out of metal, I just like the utilitarian nature of it.

    I'm sure the new GS runs great. As does the Multistrada, LC8s, Explorers, etc... If I was looking for a new bike, I can't say for sure that I'd go with the BMW.
    #31
  12. DiamondLie

    DiamondLie Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2011
    Oddometer:
    464
    Location:
    Handle of Pan, ID
    Riding one doesn't provide the final answer either unfortunately. My take away after spending 3+ hours on one (80/20 - pavement/dirt) is that there is certainly more power (OK, quite a bit more!), less weight, less bulk between the knees, a tighter ergonomic package (not a good thing for this 6'3", 34" inseam rider) and, oh yeah, did I mention MORE POWER?

    Seriously, my biggest take away was how much more 'alive' and peppy the motor felt. Hopping back on my trusty GSA Oily Camhead she never felt so slow! :huh The demo bike I rode did not have the ESA/semi-active suspension so I can't comment on that.

    I think the new WC GS is a better street bike than any previous iteration of the machine. That being said each individual rider will have to decide if that is indeed progress or actually BMW moving in the wrong direction for this particular bike.
    #32
  13. Centurion210

    Centurion210 Pilot in command

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2013
    Oddometer:
    188
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    I test rode a LC GS when I had taken mine to the dealership for regular maintenance back in May. After the test ride, on the way home, my 2012 Hexhead felt like a tractor compared to the new LC GS...

    I can only say, after owning two oilheads (2008, 2012), that the engine may have lost some of its lovable boxer character. However the new GS, in my opinion, is more agile, feels much lighter in terms of maneuverability and steering and the engine is much stronger and smoother. Mind you, I only had an hour-long ride on the new one so take my observation with a grain of salt...
    #33
  14. oldfool

    oldfool Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2006
    Oddometer:
    768
    Location:
    San Pedro, california
    One way to make your bike more peppy is less weight improving the power to weight ratio. I can't say for sure yet but I'm pretty sure off-road the new bike is toast compared to the hp2. Richard...........
    #34
  15. NuckaMan

    NuckaMan Space Available

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Oddometer:
    432
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    I like the new chassis layout of the LC, especially with the seat necked down considerably, which would make it easier to touch down in the rough.

    Other than that, I do still love my 08 and appreciate not having to deal with a water pump/rad system, ability to use standard car oil in the motor, tractor like performance in the dirt, has good crashability and I know the thing pretty much inside and out (minus clutch and FD repair).

    But if I were to entertain a ADV bike with a Radiator, I would give the other brand offerings a real strong look before deciding. I have no brand loyalty to BMW nor GS, but the GS sets the bar so high....especially if one uses it beyond paved roads, I would be surprised if anyone else got it even close.
    #35
  16. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2004
    Oddometer:
    3,204
    Location:
    GREECE!
    Don't bet on it though.
    #36
  17. spagthorpe

    spagthorpe Long timer

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2002
    Oddometer:
    15,191
    Location:
    San Diego
    More "agile" is not always the best thing. I find the 1150s to be very neutral handling, but also very stable. They have a great planted feeling no matter the condition. My 09 GSA was more "agile", but it was also more skittish on the highway, more upset mid turn by road surface changes, far more sketchy at more severe lean angles. I tried different tires, but it was all basically the same. To me, for the type of bike it is, the geometry change was a step in the wrong direction. Then again, everyone has different things in mind for how they ride their bike, styles, etc. For me, it was a less confidence inspiring, and more tiring bike to ride long distance.

    If I was just buying a 1200 as an around the town bike, occasional short trips, then I'd get a non-GSA and just rip around on it and not care. When I want something that I do long hours on, multi-day, etc, I want the more stable bike.
    #37
  18. Centurion210

    Centurion210 Pilot in command

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2013
    Oddometer:
    188
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    You make a very good point; I can't argue with that. That may be why BMW decided to dampen the steering on the 2014 model-year GS...
    #38
  19. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2004
    Oddometer:
    3,204
    Location:
    GREECE!
    Very interesting to read this thread.

    Because it is funny to read for example a guy that has changed THREE GSes for the same period I kept the same and still talking about "bike not having the GS feeling" or "being too plastic" or "having too much technology"...

    You guys really... I mean come on.

    12GS (pre-13), was still a very plastic bike with too much technology (for at least half the years since its introduction). And? They sold 170k of that.
    Also see what the others did... They tried to do the same and go further. Must mean something...

    1150GS. Personally I hated it. Never looked a boxer GS before the 12GS. I was still respecting (and still respect) what it "sells" (which is a bit different from what 12GS "sells" AND ALSO different from what 1100GS "sells"... something 1150GS people tend to forget).

    We are all different people. Whatever floats your boat.
    Personally after 11 years with GSes and on just my second, I say I love the new WGS.
    USUALLY a newer model is an IMPROVEMENT. Yes CD was an improvement over vinyl (esp. after a few CD generations in mastering, new CODECs etc.). GET OVER IT.

    I am not looking for excuses to not like it. Yes it is a first year model, yes it has issues, yes I don't have the money. If I did, I would have it right now.

    Simple.

    If someone reads this thread will thing that everybody has a 100 G/S here.
    #39
  20. Centurion210

    Centurion210 Pilot in command

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2013
    Oddometer:
    188
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    If you are referring to me, I am not on my third GS; I only test rode the '13 and for what it's worth, i do think it's better and indeed improved for the type of riding I do. Plastics don't bother me one bit.
    #40