Why do you prefer KTM 1190 over new R 1200 GS?

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  1. Katoom72

    Katoom72 Been here awhile

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    All manufacturers have the habit to play with numbers.

    I recall a bike magazine that have putted all bikes on the scale (supersports iirc) and the weight was kinda way off to what the OEM's claimed. Can't seem to find the article tho.
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  2. igorpetrovich

    igorpetrovich Been here awhile

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    the weight it's declere is for the standard bike, and bmw dosen't have any extra not even the central stand, then you have to add all the rest of the options like the dinamic suspentions, the abs etc, and the weight grows. ktm have all of this stuff included in the basic bike.
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  3. Wuffi

    Wuffi Adventurer

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    Thats not quite correct because the standard 1190 doesn`t have the center stand and no EDS, however the BMW also have ABS as standard. But this is like as we say in Austria " counting peas" :D. The BMW has a few Kilos more, ok?
    Ciao
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  4. Red Dust

    Red Dust Been here awhile

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    Anyone actually weighed the 1190 on a scale?
    It might be heavier than the specification says.
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  5. jas123

    jas123 Been here awhile

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    Thinking ,,,,, if you need instructions on storing your massive tool selection, seems the BMW is the right choice for you. Or maybe a Segway! :D
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  6. Blue&Yellow

    Blue&Yellow but orange inside...

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    No allen key? No torx? Not even a wrench? Come on... for that price on a new bike? I can get a pretty impressive basic toolkit for $10 at the local hardware store!
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  7. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    Hey, it's a BMW. Everyone knows how reliable and dependable they are.:evil
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  8. moulin6801

    moulin6801 Been here awhile

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    Hey now, lets not knock BMW down. It is an awesome machine and it is the Mother of ADV riding, all come after it!
    I have a 2012 R1200 ADV with 8k miles on it. It has been perfect, except from when I got water in the engine crossing a shallow river fast. In fact, that is my only Turn off about the GS. I hope KTM will not have the Air intact problem... In fact, where is the Air intake on 1190?? Did BMW change the location on the new GS??
    With that said, I have been riding in places that people on smaller dirt bikes had asked me : "How did you get this big bike here?"
    No a pro but I have been in love with offroad riding, and learning as much as possible since I bought the GSA, in addition of long trips.
    I am not sure what the new GS is like, choose not to test drive one yet until the KTM 1190 is available in USA.
    Love the look of the 1190R, I think it looks better than the GS... Looking forward to see what the new 2014 BMW GSA will look like. In fact, when the new GSA arrive, it is when I will test drive both.
    More likelly buy a 1190 R, just for the fun of having something different. On my 30 years of riding, I have and riding just about every brand out there. I went from a Pirate outfit (Harleys) to my present Power Ranger ones (BMW) :) So, not a brand fanatic, just love motorcycles, all of them. If my wife would let me, I would have at the leat 3 in the guarage...
    So... in short, I can't wait to test drive the 1190 R !! Very excited about it!! But will not buy it until I take the 2014 GSA for a spin... :norton
    Cheers,
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  9. licascurtu

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    I think the first difference you'll see if u take the 1190 R where u take the regular 990 is the front rim....you won't have one anymore on the 1190 (to wide) now if u do the same like I did on my 990 and get a narrower one it'll be interesting to see how 150hp will work with 1.85 or 1.60 rim size ?????
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  10. licascurtu

    licascurtu Been here awhile

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    Yep I know how it is I ride 990 and my wife is riding bmw 800gs. The beemer is so reliable I don't need tools for fixing a flat, changing the oil bla bla bla.....thank god I have my Ktm tool kit
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  11. Zuber

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    My first BMW had a tool kit, tire pump and patch kit. You could fix your own flat on the ride home from the dealer. You could adjust the steering head bearings or the swing arm. What year was that? The drive shaft lasted longer than the frame.

    Well all that changed. Those BMW Engineers retired and the BE's took over. (baby engineers) Got rid of all my BMW's when I realized I carried tie downs and a tow rope everywhere.

    Though, true adventure is not knowing if you can make it back home.
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  12. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

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    I do not think having 8k miles on a bike is enough to announce the reliability of a vehicle.:huh

    Cheers.
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  13. v8toilet

    v8toilet Nothing to see here.

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    8000 lol that's one trip for me sometimes. I put 8000 on a new BMW in just over a week. Yep she's 10 days old hasn't broke yet must be reliable. :confused:
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  14. triplenickel

    triplenickel Long timer

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    Ya but did ya miss the part where he said it can't cross a shallow river without sucking water? Surely that's a feature of some sort. :rofl
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  15. moulin6801

    moulin6801 Been here awhile

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    Talking about groupies... just notice 3 of them here.... :D
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  16. v8toilet

    v8toilet Nothing to see here.

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    Hardly a groupie I've owned every big BMW dual sport of the last decade and three big KTMs. My opinions are firmly based on experience with both marques.

    Also the comment was poking fun at the logic not the brand.
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  17. triplenickel

    triplenickel Long timer

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    Nah just comedians.
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  18. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    I've 40k miles on my '11 GSA. I put about that mileage on my former 950. Both bikes are wonderful but in different ways. I had a lot of issues with the 950 that I'm certain have been ironed out after all the years of improvement. The GSA is huge but very capable, just more road oriented, which is where most of us spend 85% of our time. The 950 was incredible off-road and pretty good on. I'm certain the 1190 will be incredible almost everywhere. Ride on.
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  19. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

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    I didn't even refer to a brand name :huh. I have always shout out when my KTM, my first bike bought new, bugged me with all sort of problems early 950Advs had. I remember "groupies", attacking complaining KTM owners with the moto "go buy a Vstrom then". I can say problems have reduced in the last years or cures have been found by us, inquisitive minded riders. OTOH we should point out BMWs are not perfect either. I never owned one so can only speak form other peoples' experience.
    I still believe it is too early to diagnose a vehicle reliability before the first 30k miles, being either a BMW or KTM or a Yamaha.
    Cheers groupies.:freaky

    P.S. The trolls say you are a groupie
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  20. dlrides

    dlrides 1:1.618

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    Flip a coin.

    Same bike except for the logo.
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