why does mileage scare people from the 950

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by kdscoates, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. Rikimoto

    Rikimoto Adventure Time!

    May 25, 2011
    Vancouver, B.C.
    I agree with what others are saying about high mileage bikes in general scaring people off. But I will say KTM as a brand does have a bit of a stigma, which I have been guilty of worrying about.

    When I was bike shopping recently I saw a couple of nicer looking 640 aventures and had friends say "Not as an only bike" and there was talks of counter sprocket shafts, oil this, bearings that. Of course, BMW has the same thing, bearings on the F800, final drive on the 1200.

    I had my sites set on getting myself a used F800GS recently, and found a very good looking bike for a good price but walked because it had 75k kms, and shortly thereafter I was presented with a 990 ADV with 18k kms and around $1500 less. I now own a 990 ADV, even though I previously had, and all my riding buddies have, BMWs.
    I think this is one of the main things - the "most reliable" bike out there will still let you down if it's not maintained. My BMW X Challenge is supposed to be ridiculously rock solid - but the amateur hour custom electric bits that were added on made it turn from Jekyll to Hyde in the rain.
  2. DrKayak

    DrKayak Retro Rider

    Mar 2, 2010
    Shingle Springs CA
    Price is everything. You never said how much you were trying to get for a 950 with 40k miles... Price it right and it will sell. Try to get $8,000 because of all the add-ons... good luck.

    Personaly I will not consider any bike with over 10k miles. I do a major tear down and check everything before I ever ride a used bike I buy. Just not worth it on a high miles bike. I will wait for one that the seller just never rode. My 950 had 3,200 miles on it when I bought it and would not run right from sitting. Perfect deal as I was going to tear it down and re-jet anyway. Same with all my bikes. My 450 had 2 rides on it in 3 years.

    I rescue bikes from non-use. All bikes like to be run... hard! :deal
  3. erappaport

    erappaport pray for rain

    Jun 23, 2004
    Full disclosure: I love my 950 and don't mind (too much) all of the tinkering it asks for.. But this said, I often feel like "built for racing" can also mean "built to be torn down routinely and worked on by people who know what they are doing"... maybe one day that will be me. :rofl

    Good to have goals
  4. Orangecicle

    Orangecicle On a "Quest"

    Apr 24, 2007
    West Des Moines, IA
    I bought mine in 2009 with 24,000 miles on it. I knew from studying this board that 24,000 miles on a bike like this was not a problem. I paid $6,900 with delivery, and I thought that was a steal for the bike I got.

    I did have to do into the motor at 35,000 miles, but there really wasn't an internals problem. More "user error" than anything. Anyway, everything on the top end of the motor was fine other than some worn cam chain guides, and typically bad "pitted" 950 cams. The cam issue is an early 950 problem, and it should be expected. The guides should be expected because they are plastic.

    So, I don't think high mileage is a huge concern. I did comment the other day on someone considering buying a 950 with over 60K on the clock. If the price was right and the bike was properly maintained, I might do that. But I would be discounting the price by the possibility that I would be going into the engine in the coming years and knowing what that would cost. Of course, another option is to swap a newer 990 motor into these bikes and ride on. Whether it's a motor rebuild or a swap, you could easily be looking at a cost north of $2,000, so the base bike price would have to be right. But point me at a well-maintained 950 with a blown motor selling for around $2,500, and it would take the wife ripping the checkbook out of my hands to keep me away. :lol3
  5. BmoreBandit

    BmoreBandit nomo B

    Nov 30, 2007
    where the hood meets the bay
    The problem is that most 950 owners act like its 2003 and that twin is the only gig in town so they would like to see ridiculous amounts like 6900 for a 24k on a probably ridden like most KTM's 950.
    So no one is scared of your mileage pal, it's just that no one will give you 10k for it or think its gold plated. It's often a giant dirt bike that gets put through paces, I wouldn't consider high mileage one for a load of money knowing that ill likely tear into it soon. There are other options on this day and age...
  6. Bill-66

    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

    Sep 13, 2009
    The Northwet..
    I'm beginning to shop for a new bike..just cause I want something new..I currently ride an '08 GSA...

    About final drives..let's be honest..completely blown out of proportion...the failure rate is less than 1% +/-...should it happen at all..other than the fluke, no, it shouldn't, however, everyone who has a seal leak, screams "final failure"

    Goldwing failure rates are about the same.

    What has been said before holds true..we all know the KTM is the superior off road bike..but all around bike? I think the BMW wins..this thread talks about mileage and oddly, several here sound like a Harley rider.."well, mine has almost 20k on it..and is 6 years old.." I just received my 100k award..on an '08..the bike did get a tranny replaced under warranty, at two months old..fluke, manufacturing problem..and a u joint went out..covered under warranty, not a fluke..poor design..but that's it...zero motor issues..change oil every 10k...has been all over Death Valley, the North Rim..Colorado...started the Washington BDR, Thursday...once a year valve checks take an hour..with beer, oil changes..15 minutes..

    I don't struggle with small windshield air management...bad water pumps on brand new bikes and steering head bearings??

    Are BMW's without problems? Of course not..and myself and only a couple other guys are very critical of them in GS Spot..not a fanboi..

    When it's all said and done..and none of us on upper end boutique bikes want to hear it..but Yamaha has the bike to beat, like it or not..no soul, no character..just dead solid Japanese reliability...

    All that..but..damn I want a BAJA...:lol3
  7. Newbusa

    Newbusa Been here awhile

    Aug 21, 2006
    Qualicum Beach
    Well i have owned roughly 30 bikes,and just purchased my 4th KTM a 2010 990R and i love it, I had a 2004 950S and sold it last year and missed it a lot. I tried to replace it with various Japanese bikes but when it comes down to it i really missed my Adventurer. Yes, they are bikes you have to keep on top of, but man do they reward you if you do. I also think they are slowly getting the past problems worked out. I just sold a 07 Superduke 990 that had 19k on it and no issues at all with it. I know that is not a lot of k's but it was not pampered by any means. So if you want to have fun give the big LC8 a chance,you might never go back to anything else.:D
  8. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

    Apr 26, 2006
    North Carrollton, MS - Traveling on the Moto
    The reason it scares people is because it is next to impossible to find one with more than 100,000 miles on it, but very easy to find reports of the engine being opened up with substantially less miles! :deal Invariably, the owner will blame the problem on operator error, bad gas, and of course they all say the miles have been "hard"! BTW, I have a 990ADV and I am concerned about how long it will last!

    I have also owned a BMW. It is not very difficult to find 100,000 mile BMWs. But of course, if you complain about BMW quality over on the Beemer Board, you will have some folks that will get very irate with you. I know, I have been there and done that! Some of those folks think there has only ever been one FD to fail and can't understand why people keep talking about it. :huh

    The KTM puts a bigger smile on my face! :D I am more of a south of the border Adventure Rider and the suspension is great for the bad roads and millions of speed bumps. I really hope my moto last 150,000 miles with minimal problems! If it does, it will get replaced by another KTM, if it don't, it will get replaced by a BMW. The orange koolaid is strong! So is the blue! But when you are in Panama or somewhere and your moto breaks down, all of the koolaid turns to piss!

    I actually have a thread here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=888788
    Titled "How long will a 990adv last???"

    I am gaining confidence, but this moto is a long way from proving BMW reliability. I hope it does in the end! BTW, I don't consider the BMW's reliability to be as good as the Japanese, however, they do no have an Adventure Touring moto yet that will compare. I am watching the Super Tenere! :deal
  9. Head2Wind

    Head2Wind MotorcycleMayhem

    Mar 13, 2006
    NorthWet Washington
    I look for the 'high mileage' bikes.... and get them 'for cheaper' because it scares away other buyers. To me, it means that the machine has been maintained well enough to make it this far and will most likely make it further without major make over work.... But I do all my own work too.

    I have a Aprilia RST1000 with 76000 miles that runs like a clock... its just everything else, like the loose rear wheel (fixed) and the failed clutch master (fixing), that make is a PITA.
  10. rossguzzi

    rossguzzi 990 Adv.

    Oct 21, 2012
    Bottom left hand side of OZ
    I had an Aprilia Falco that clocked up 90 k kms. Apart from slave cyl, it ran like a dream. Only 1 valve had to be adjusted in that time. I now have a gen 1 Tuono that I have just replaced the water pump at 40k ks, and 1 valve adj.

    I have a 990 Adv that I had to do a water pump at 40 k ks too !

    I am hoping the 990 is as reliable as the Aprilia`s. The motors are so similar. Designed by the same guys. Just the early 950`s suffered from casting sand left in motors. Also w/pump shaft is too soft.

    Fix these issues, stay ontop of matainence and they should be good!

    To ride (almost) anything else would be bordem on 2 wheels.:lol3
  11. kdscoates

    kdscoates Long timer

    Sep 24, 2006
    We are not Pal's

    I have yet to see this 10k 950?

    All I see is fair priced 950's on the market 6900 for 24,000 miles is a great price!

    The 950 is the only GIG in town when it comes to a big dual sport bike period.
    It does it all well no other bike does that period!

    Who is capable of putting it through its paces maybe a few but most common riders cannot even get close to pushing it to the max!

    Have a great day!!!
  12. Katoom72

    Katoom72 Been here awhile

    Jun 3, 2012
    It all depends what you want from the bike, 950/990 can't beat the comfort of a GS that's just a fact.
    'some of the people here sound like Harley riders' Most (not on here) are even worse, they think a motorbike is ready for the trashcan @ 20k miles.

    We all know the old LC8 needs more attention then a Jap, but you get something in return that the Jap just can't offer.
  13. Bill-66

    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

    Sep 13, 2009
    The Northwet..

  14. GrenDesb

    GrenDesb Been here awhile

    May 6, 2011
    Speaking LC8, I'm really not scared of the miles that are on the bike when I purchase it, I'm scared of the miles I'll put on top of those already there. :D

    Starting with a fresher bike just gives me more years of fun for not that much more money.

    These bikes hold their value so less miles is not that much more expensive.

    Don't know for others but that's why I bought low miles.

    And about people that come here and post there problems, sure when the bike stuck in the garage or on the side of the road, one of the first thing I'd do is post here while BMW guys call the towing.

    But we have to keep in mind that there is much more people that are riding and just don't take the time to post here, riding is much more fun
  15. freebird82

    freebird82 Adventurer

    Aug 22, 2008
    Los Angeles, CA
    My thoughts exactly. I just purchased a 990. There were several with around 40k miles that I passed up, not because I was worried about the high mileage, more cause I knew i would be putting a lot more on (and those people usually wanted too much $$$ for the high mileage bikes). I put 25k on my versys in less than two years....the owner before put less than 6k on in 3.

    Fact is, it's pretty easy to find a low mileage bike. Under 20k is pretty easy to find, so I wasnt going to buy one with 40. Lots of people buy bikes and dont ride them.

    That said, I know that, and I wouldnt waste your time by coming over and kicking the tires, and telling you i am worried about the might mileage.