Try to take this advice, youngster. 1. Don't be so angry. It's a discussion about motorcycles. Metal, rubber, combustibles. 2. Be quiet and learn a bit before joining in. Get a few years of real-world experience under your belt. Your lack of wisdom shows in how personally you made it your "job" to try and flame me. It was ok at first, I know I push peoples buttons, but now it's getting creepy, son. And when it gets creepy, it only makes you look bad, not me. Anyone on Thumpers knows that I am pretty consistent with when I will show up to a thread. 3. Articulate your arguments with facts, not emotion. Your current line of reasoning is based on rage at me which is evident in your page-long rants. No one, including myself, is reading that. You lose people when it's emotion, it's making you look bad. Facts, not emotion. Last chance before you go on ignore. Think before you post. Really let it sink in.