Why doesn't KTM put fuel injection on the bigger enduros?

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  1. biggziff

    biggziff Funk Soul Bruvah

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    Seems like with all the competitors (or most) fuel injecting things like their 500 class dual sports or enduros why hasn't KTM done this? I have more than a few friends who would buy a KTM 450 or similar tomorrow if they had fuel injection.

    Also....any idea why the small tanks on these bikes? Another reason some guys don't buy...

    I wonder if there are issues with emissions standards with FI being tighter or??
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  2. eakins

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    KTM seems to be using FI on most everything for 2013???
    Tanks are sized for medium sized rides and they offer larger tanks for big western rides.
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  3. LittleRedToyota

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    the 4-stroke KTM enduros do have fuel injection now.

    to which i say "boo", but some people obviously like it.

    small tanks are lightweight and thin. large tanks are heavier and bulkier.
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  4. biggziff

    biggziff Funk Soul Bruvah

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    Not the 400-500 class bikes. At least not according to the website.
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  5. LittleRedToyota

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    whatever website you are looking at is wrong.

    the 450xc-w and 450exc both have had fuel injection since at least last year. the 500 does as well.

    personally, i'm glad my 2009 450xc-w has an FCR carb instead, but the new ones do not.
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  6. biggziff

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    I'm specifically referring to the street legal bikes. The EXC 450 is carbed and has been. The 500 is carbed. The 690 is FI. The only EXC that is FI is the 350 as designated by the -F

    http://www.ktm.com/us/enduro/500excusa/technical-details.html#.UEo55lT0mc4
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  7. LittleRedToyota

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    i just went and looked at KTM's website for the heck of it. strangely enough, in the technical details for the 450/500 xc-w/exc, they don't mention the fuel delivery system at all. but, if you download the PDF owner's manual, you will see that they are fuel injected.
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    that page does not mention fuel delivery at all.

    if you click the downloads link and download the owner's manual, you will see that it is fuel injected.

    here is a direct link to the owner's manual:

    http://www.ktm.com/uploads/tx_ktmproduct/techdocs/13_3211868_en_OM_175645.pdf

    for example, look at page 100 which talks about "defect in fuel injection system" as a possible cause in the trouble shooting table.

    i assure you, the 450exc and 500exc are both fuel injected. they were last year as well.
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    Weird...the KTM dealer in Grand Junction CO just told me they are not and were not FI. I'd think that he'd know...but who knows.
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    i thought for 2013 the 500 now has updated FI from the 2012 FI.
    where are you getting that the 500 is not FI?
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  11. eakins

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    that's odd as those guys have always been very knowledgeable
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    i do...honestly. i have a few friends who have fuel injected 450/500 xc-w/excs. we also ride with a dealer (pure KTM/husaberg dealer, not a "every brand under the sun" dealer) who has a whole showroom full of them.

    i would suggest not ever buying anything from that dealer who told you they are still carbed...and very definitely not taking anything there to be serviced.

    on second thought, if he really does have a 2013 500xc-w with an FCR instead of fuel injection, lemme know...i wanna buy it. :D
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    well my '12 exc450 has EFI the last time i looked.
    all '2012-'13 ktm exc,xcf,xcfw,sxf 4 stroke from 250cc up are FI and anyone who says different is talking out their arse
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  14. Navin

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    The "f" designation is not for F.I., it has meant 4 stroke since the 2006 250SXf and 07 450SXf.
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    Wow, you mean a dealer actually didn't know something about the product they sell? Who'd of thunk it. :rofl
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    All bikes are going to be FI at some point...just a matter of time. I don't mind FI now that I've gotten used to it. Carbs are more familier to most of us so you get a sence of safety with them...if something goes wrong every thing is familier...but I've been stranded plenty of times with carbed XR's, CR's, YZ's over the years :cry. Kids who grow up with the technology will think anyone who likes carbs are like the old farts that prefer flat heads over OHC and points over CDI...come to think of it thats me :lol3
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    Harley Davidson, KTM, BMW of Grand Junction has only been a KTM dealer for a short time. They had a salesman that knew what was up but lost him last year. They try but none of them are very familiar with the brand or the sport.

    KTM does not make a carburated Four Stroke with the exception of the 450rr which isn't exactly a production model. I GFT you that GJ KTM has never heard of a 450rr. :lol3
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    KTM doesnt use FI on their Dakar bikes due to "blockage" issues.They need to finish the race to win it so they use carbs. Odd but true.
    Ive ridden carbed bikes from sea level to 11,000 feet,with a tiny amount of knowledge they work great and are fixable in the field. EPA says FI so FI it is.
    On a steep switchback trail with an over heated 4 stroke, fuel can get so hot the FI fuel pump quits,so the bike quits,can take a half hour to work again,then it can get hot and quit again. In a race that just wont work.

    Im sure this will get worked out better in the future.
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  19. Mudguts

    Mudguts when in doubt GAS IT

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    You mean the fuel in injector I pulled out of 500exc was not really a fuel injector but a electro mechanical jet :rofl.

    Don't trust dealer sales men there their to make money , most of them could not tell you what a flux capacitor was or how many are in a bike.

    I worked at a dealer, and I know what a flux capacitor is .
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  20. biggziff

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    Thanks for the info...seems these dealers don't have a freaking clue what they're selling.
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