Or maybe I'm missing something? I just picked up a pair of these for snowboarding: They're awesome! Very warm, very waterproof, and prevents ice/rain/whatever from going up my jacket or down my pants. So why haven't motorcycle gear manufacturers gotten on the bibs bandwagon? The closest I've found is Klim's snowmobile pants: but they aren't armored or abrasion-resistant as the moto pants. The next best thing would be the Icon Patrol: or Firstgear Kathmandu: Which are overpants and look a little too bulky for my taste, not to mention don't rise at all in the front. I like the front bib as it prevents water from soaking the bottom of the layers I wear under the jacket, and provides extra interior pockets for phone/wallet/etc. What do people suggest for fully waterproof riding pants that won't let water pool in the crotch and soak underlayers? I don't like removable waterproof liners, because the outside shell still gets soaked and I have to try to dry it in the tent. I think part of the problem is height- I'm 6'3" but maybe usually buy suits in 40 or 41 and jeans in 32 waist; so medium jackets are too short in the torso, and let underlayers poke out the bottom, and large jackets are too bulky and flap around too much. Riding pants generally fall down too far and leave a gap at the back where rain and spray can soak through. What to do for a hard-to-fit dude?