why should I NOT buy a Silverwing?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by ScootTour, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. Domromer

    Domromer Desert Rat

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    Why not just buy used bikes and avoid dealers all together? Out of the 15 bikes I've owned only 3 have been new. It's so easy to find super low mileage bikes in excellent condition for up to 50 percent off the new price. I'm talking about bikes that are 2-3 years old.
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  2. hexnut

    hexnut Been here awhile

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    If every one just bought used bikes then all the dealers would go out of business and eventually there would be no used bikes. Well with the exception of Chinese scooters that you can buy online. Not a pretty picture.
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  3. Domromer

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    There will always be a used market as there will always be people buying new.. You could choose to be a smart consumer and buy used. Let someone else pay the dealers bs fees.
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  4. Realbtl

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    I have a very good relationship with my local Honda-Suzuki dealer I think because I go out of my way to support local merchants. If they can get to within 10-15% of internet prices (and they usually can) I will give them my business. What I get out of this is:
    1. Quick service if I need them to do work on one of my bikes that I don't have time/inclination to do;
    2. Good prices compared to the other dealers and even a discount off their normal prices;
    3. If I need a part I can just call and they will order it. No need to go 20 miles to their shop and pay in advance;
    4. The opportunity to not only test ride bikes I might be interested in buying but just to get my feedback on a particular new bike they are selling. Earlier this summer they asked me to take out a Suzuki TU 250. This is not a 5 minute ride around the block but a 30-60 minute ride to check it out under various conditions.

    That said, I don't particularly like the local Yamaha and Kawasaki dealers so they don't get my business. Pick your dealer carefully.
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  5. JerryH

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    I just bought a new Zuma 125 from a dealer. They tried to charge me a $395 freight fee, a $360 setup fee, and a $326 "doc" fee. This was on a new 2012 that they had on sale for $2729. I got $800 knocked off when I called their bluff, by explaining how things work "in the business" in words dealers use. At that point they knew I was "in on it" and no way was I just "giving" them $800. Dealers are much like carnival people. They are highly skilled con artists. To avoid being conned, you have to know how they operate. They still made a decent profit on that deal. Yamaha to dealer incentives made up the difference between the sale price and MSRP, they didn't lose anything, and the dealers profit margin is built into the MSRP. Those other things are considered "overhead", the dealers cost of doing business.

    It is mostly Japanese and European motorcycle/scooter dealers that try to pull that crap. When I bought my new '09 Genuine Stella, I not only got a significant discount off MSRP, but paid less than $200 in fees, which included sales tax (10% here) title and registration. Kymco is the same way, as are Chinese scooter dealers.


    Back in the '90s, Harley dealers were charging several thousand dollars over MSRP, PLUS fees. Harley Davidson Motor Company went to court to try and prevent this kind of thing, as it was ruining their reputation. They threatened to yank the franchise of any dealer caught doing it. And they won. Or so they thought. Dealers quickly found a way around it by titling and registering every new bike they got in, and sold them as used. Used bike don't have an MSRP, and there was nothing Harley could do.

    The entire motor vehicle sales business if rife with fraud and false advertising, thats why they have such a bad reputation, even worse than insurance companies. I think it is something the Consumer Protection Agency should look into. They have caught a few, but they don't seem to realize the massive scale dealers are doing this on. I mean, $800 worth of fraudulent charges on an under $3000 scooter?
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  6. Domromer

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    Yeah its a pretty shitty scenario. I used to work at a bike shop and the sales game was awful. This shop didn't give a rats ass about return customers all they wanted was to get bikes out the door. The shop used to be run by motorcyclists then it was bought by a group of investors. It all went down hill from there. I actually went to a competitor when I bought my xrl, that's how shitty the prices were. I couldn't even get a good deal as an employee. The fees, other than tax and title are complete bullshit. It's all profit. This is why I won't buy a new bike. Maybe there are still good shops out there I've never been lucky enough to find one.
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  7. Geezer99

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    I have a Silver Wing (my 2nd; it's a 2013, the 1st was a 2002), and I have not experienced any of the complications you have mentioned. I have ridden both machines about 50K miles, and have nothing but good fortune with both. For me, it is not unstable at high speeds, nor shaky; yes, I must concentrate on riding but only because it is so comfortable.

    Having said that, I, too, wish the wheels were bigger but that's about all.

    About 2 months ago I rode from Marion, VA to Jacksonville, Fl 589 miles in one day on my new S.W., (75% on the Interstate), cruising at 75 & 80 mph, and had absolutely no complaints. Tired? Yes, very. But, not beaten up like I might have been on a motorcycle. No aches & pains next day.

    Two days ago I rode to Daytona Beach to take a look at the new Yamaha T-Max 530 at Daytona Fun Machines, Inc. I think I would like one because it seems to be a "Sweet" machine, but I cannot stand flat footed while sitting on it. And the cost approaches $!!K plus tax.

    Can you tell me anything about the earlier version (2010 or ??) of the T-Max? I know where there is a new one, and maybe I should consider it.

    Your comments and suggestions will be appreciated.

    Thanks
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  8. Jarlaxle

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    My biggest beef with the Silverwing is the single front brake.

    Well...that, and the fact that so few for sale used have ABS.
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  9. JerseyBiker

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    If you buy one you will find that you will have to take the longest route home from work in order to stay in the saddle just a bit longer.
    This will make your wife mad causing you to go for a ride to get away. After several days of this you will notice that you get close to 60 mpg and will start to wonder how far you could ride nonstop. While pondering this question you will miss your exit on the way to work and end up riding your first iron butt instead of turning around.
    When you get home you will find a note from your wife saying that your boss called, your fired, and she will mail you the divorce papers because you are jobless and never do anything but ride that damn bike.
    This will cause you to embark on an epic ride which will become one of the most legendary ride reports on ADV.

    That and the center stand is poorly placed which makes the bike feel heavy going on and off of it.
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  11. MiniBike

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    Welcome Geezer. Good to have another Jacksonvillian on board.
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  12. Clampett

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    I'm with the not much to dislike crowd. After I purchased my 2004, I rode from B'ham all the way to Ky line. 2 days that was supposed to be a 2 hour ride.
    After returning home, I decided to go to Tuscaloosa and get some Dream Land BBQ. When I stopped that night, I was in Houston, Tx and still hadn't stopped to eat. I've owned 27 (about) bikes from mini bikes to 7 Gold Wings. I love bikes. The most F-U-N I've had was on the Silverwing. 2nd was Burgman 650. My current CTX1300 is 8 months old and about to surpass the Burgman I think.
    Each rider is different and experiences the same bikes different. You will either hate it or love it. Sorry to post off topic :D
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  13. Tony D P

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  14. Pilgrim21784

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    Geezer99: You ask about the earlier TMAXs. I owned an '09 for few years so can give you my drift. (Also owned a '12 SW a few years later before I downsized last year).

    My take on the '09 TMAX; Very reliable, superb ride, very flickable and FAST. Had a problem with over-doing road speeds cause that sucker is smooth and your doing a whole bunch of MPHs without realizing it. It really handles the twisties as good as anything in my experience.

    Two negatives (just for me), a tad too high seat at 31.5" for my 30" inseam - couldn't flatfoot; No ABS, ultimately a deal breaker for me. The regular brakes were excellent but I became an ABS convert. Doubt if you'd go wrong on one if it suits your druthers - they are fine scooters.

    The new one appears just to be even better (oddly, the EU versions offer ABS, which is a pending mandate over there. But the US version apparently doesn't, perhaps I misread the US model page). In any event, its hard to argue that its not a premier maxi if it punches your buttons. Price-wise, I'd let them sit for a good while, I suspect deals will be available down the pike.

    Comparing the TMAX and later model SWs, I wouldn't spend any money to switch. The performance differentials are fairly minor overall and the availability of ABS for some folks is a biggie. Your current '13 SW should keep you happy for a long time.
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