Why such big bikes on gravel/ dirt routes?

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by ADVNCW, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. ADVNCW

    ADVNCW Banned

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    Yeah, it will haul you Murf2. Read the owner's manual- the dual sport bike has an engineered design capacity for operator and passenger, me and my gear are far below that. As well, thus far the rear frame takes the load of about 40 lbs just fine. My rear shock is at the stiffest preload and 15W oil is in the front forks. While still not optimal, it works surprisingly well. Again, I think it is the design, even the little dog crude suspension has a good adjustment range due to allowing for a passenger plus a rider.

    When I was deciding what to buy, I looked at a thread here by a guy who toured on weekends with his wife on the back of the 230L. They had fun. they both were smaller normal-sized folks, but that helped demonstrate the 230L could haul me and my gear in my mind.

    A lot of motorcycles- dirt bikes- are engineered to be light but not to carry a passenger and a load.

    For comfort I added a Seat Concepts seat and 1 7/8 inch handlebar risers. When I sat on and rode a WR250R at the dealer, I was surprised that whioe slightly larger, the WRR was really not much larger feeling to me.
  2. Maxacceleration

    Maxacceleration Off the grid

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    With some Wolfman racks added to this, or the lighter Giant Loop gear, the WR will tour or trail almost anywhere.
    Heft on technical switchbacks is challenging, and whoop-de-dos over works the stock suspension. I learned there.
    Adventure types don't always blitz the hoops (nor do I).
    I'm always looking for that small giant (mountain) killer of a bike too...

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  3. hubb255

    hubb255 Adventurer

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    LOL! I Cant believe this argument is still going!:rofl
  4. Murf2

    Murf2 Been here awhile

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    ADVNCW, I didn't realize you were selfconscious about your weight! :D You didn't really give me much info, there. Are you close to the max load with your camping gear on the bike?

    Murf
  5. ADVNCW

    ADVNCW Banned

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    No but the load and strapping the load on the 230L is a real consideration. I cannot recall the max load but it is two normal sized people plus, as I recall "8 lbs" of luggage!!:rofl So I figure me and luggage is ok. Suspension wise the front is the weakest in my use, easy enough to stand and the back does fine when you stand up and ride it.

    I thought the best way to pack extra gas, given the limited space on back, was on the front rack. So far that held up, I have had the tank on for a few hundred miles, rode singletrack with it- but I wonder if it will fail sometime.

    Loaded or unloaded my little dog 230L with my 230lbs is limited suspension-wise. I prejump stuff so that I do not launch, because landing a huck on the 230L is a jarring experience:huh even unloaded. Motor wise, I think the power characterstics are better than the WR250R that I test rode for traction and control on gravel and dirt. But little dog 230L is slow, fun when tight and gnarly or still easy when loaded, but you will not experience any thrilling performance. Just smooth steady performance in small quantities!:D.
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    ADVNCW Banned

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    It's not, but getting video and posting it is.
  8. hubb255

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    I thought the best way to pack extra gasgiven the limited space on backwas on the front rackSo far that held upI have had the tank on for a few hundred milesrode singletrack with itbut I wonder if it will fail sometime.

    Can you respring your forks?
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    ADVNCW Banned

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    As far as I know, no suspension upgrades for a 230L- or I would have done so.

    I have been thinking and looking, and I think I could remove the tool kit on the back opposite the muffler, and mount the 1.5 gal Kolpin there. I estimate that the Giant Loop would fit over the Kolpin ok. Coud be the final piece of the puzzle!
  10. Sierra Thumper

    Sierra Thumper Been here awhile

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    The only problem I see with those vids is taking machines into situations their not designed for...every machine has its place. Take a bike like those BMW's that weigh more than my hayabusa stock, then load it down with an extra passengers worth of luggage and gas, and try and ride it through mudholes and rutted out nasty trails is asking for trouble imo. And trying to cross the continent in anything resembling comfort on my XR is also asking for trouble.

    Each machine has its strengths and weaknesses, ones not better than another....as long as you use it for its intended purpose :thumb

    I have to say I think some of those guys were enjoying the challenge of trying to take those behemoths places they were never designed to go...........not my idea of fun, but they seemed to be having their share :D
  11. CodyY

    CodyY ADVenture Capitalist

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    big bikes are dumb. Look at this jackass on his 950. Seriously?

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/36552482?title=1&amp;byline=1&amp;portrait=1" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/36552482">Dual Sport Loop - Talihina, OK to Mena, AR</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2371344">Jason Penneman</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>













































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    I don't think you are a Nazi.

    I just want to know if you live near Falco.
  13. CodyY

    CodyY ADVenture Capitalist

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    Yeah, I started looking around, and they don't make shit for that bike.
    Suspension, fuel tanks, shock, oil coolers, NADA.

    Regardless about how I feel about you personally, that sucks for 230L owners everywhere.
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    I think there are a number of things you could do with a little ingenuity.

    The 230f version has more suspension travel, yet appears to have the same size forks. Search for some ebay parts it looks easy enough to do a transplant. Even it you do not want to do that, stock or aftermarket springs can be cut to length.

    I suspect the bike has damping rod front suspension, a simple change in oil viscosity can make the forks better.

    I have a cheap source for rear springs, . http://www.eshocks.com/hyp_make.asp Springs are measured by their inner diameter.

    I own a KLX 650C. Imported 4 years and no aftermarket. I changed the oil weight in the forks. I could add spacers to get proper sag. I could search for another spring from any KTM with 43usd forks and cut to length.
    Turned out the oil change was good enough.

    I grafted on a Showa shock from a DRZ 400, resprung and revalved it. So much better than stock. My bike has a big bore from Germany at the time. Too much sag in the rear? Make/shorten the suspension links. It raises the rear and increases the effective spring rate. 5mm shorter links from a 2010 KLX 250s worked on my bike.

    It looks like BBR has big bore and high compression pistons for the F version, can't be that different.

    You have fuel options. http://nomadtanks.com.au/

    You just have to look outside the box. It is time consuming, surely there are site specific websites for your bike. Maybe some one has already invented the wheel.
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    I am get one of these to take with my on my big bike for those tight sections:
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    SkiBumBrian DualSport Crazy !!

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    I was wondering what the **** that thing was.... I just watched the video, hilarious! where do the panniers go?:clap
  17. hubb255

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    Tried to find some videos of the CDR. All the ones I found were fairly flat desert riding. The map looks like it goes up through the mountains. Some of the trail has to be more ineresting isnt it?
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    Rule #46- Don't ride a bike you can't pick up by yourself.
    My xr650 has taken many naps on the road and trail, but I always managed to get it upright.
  19. hubb255

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    ADVNCW, Surfing and found this at .http://motomule.com Might have to have one of these myself! Heck I would use it to take the garbage to the dump!:lol3
  20. ADVNCW

    ADVNCW Banned

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    Good advice! I tried other more expensive motorcycles, for my stated reasons I will continue to enjoy my CRF230L little dog:D