Why you should NOT buy a Ural motorcycle

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by bokad, May 28, 2012.

  1. Marvin and towser

    Marvin and towser Plain Mr. Botany (B)

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    OK this may be harking back to page one or even the OP's ride reports but I am just back from working a couple of weeks near Surabaya which is the other end of the island from Jakarta. From what I saw the traffic in Indonesia is frightful but the roads are not that bad, the biggest bike I saw was a 250 ninja most are 125's or 110's, they have premix for 2 strokes straight out of special petrol pumps, various local made Hondas and the like can cope with no problems, Not being able to go on the toll roads would have cost a lot of time when trying to get anywhere. We went from one end of the island to the other from central Jakarta to the wild woods outside Surabaya in a daihatsu luxio with no problems that's a small wheeled 1500cc people carrier. I would think that the marketing of the Ural as a roughty toughty vehicle would have seen the OP in better stead than us. From most of this post it may be possible to infer that time spent updating the engine was well spent, then maybe time would have been better spent finishing this and then addressing quality and staff training before instead bringing out special additions. I would add that Indonesians drive on the correct side of the road so the nerve of the OP for driving a wrong way round rig in that traffic at least deserves some respect.
  2. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    +1

    Respect goes to my monkey that bravely sits on the side of incoming traffic!

    Still can't figure out why they drive on the left? After all, they were a long time Dutch colony.

  3. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    Look at the issues BMW has had for years with final drive, swing arm, and front end failures, and they have almost limitless resources. Easy to kibitz from the sidelines.

    Despite Urals, BMW's and others marketing about "tough" adventure bikes, motorcycles are still very fragile compared to other types of vehicles.
  4. bpw

    bpw r65 PD

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    The most shocking piece of info in this thread for me was that Ural is charging $14,000 for a new rig.

    If you want to something to look cool and wrench on, that kind of money will get you into an actual /2 sidecar rig. Way more street cred and possibly even more reliable.

    At 7,000-8,000 a Ural kind of made sense, but $14,000 buys you a KLR or other cheap Japanese bike and a whole lot of money to throw at putting a chair on it.
  5. Schatzman

    Schatzman I Saved Latin

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    /2 blows dick off road...
  6. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    The Tourist T is $9999, http://www.imz-ural.com/2012-ural-t/
    How much money would you need to "throw" at a KLR rig to have 2wd and reverse? Apple to apple you know.

    "Street cred"??? Is that like Starbucks, when you get so many stamps you get something free? :lol3
  7. gspell68

    gspell68 Long timer

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    Yep. You'll see these 110cc to 175cc trike things all over the Philippines. They routinely carry 5-6 people as Taxis all day long and I've personally driven one loaded with 10 people. While I was driving, I was kind of wondering how my 650cc rig would hold up to the same abuse...

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  8. Eaglebeak

    Eaglebeak Aussie BM rider, West Oz.

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    "Look at the issues BMW has had for years with final drive, swing arm, and front end failures, and they have almost limitless resources. Easy to kibitz from the sidelines."



    I don't understand this statement.

    In 1977 I bought a second hand BM75/6. it had already been ridden overland from Belgium to Australia and when I got it, it had 50,000 kms on the clock. By the time I sold it, seven years later it had 240,000 kms on the clock.

    Replaced the rear main seal, new cam chain and put in first set of oversize pistons only. (Oh and a new seat as the others base had rusted from it's time in the tropics)

    I then got a PD replica 800 from new. Put 90,000 kms on that in 5 years. No issues.

    Now got a R1150R with 80,000 kms on it.

    Final drive, swing arm, front end failures ? ?
    WTF ! !

    I never had an issue and neither did my two mates, one on a 90/6 and the other on a 100RS, both with high AUSTRALIAN kms.

    I've put AUSTRALIA in capitals because I'm talking about lots of dirt riding, isolated dirt riding. We don't have shops every 100 kms.

    As I've stated in my very few posts in this thread, I couldn't in all honesty, trust the mechanicals or justify the cost of a Ural for my type of riding. That's why I built my outfit around a modern Jap bike for less cost.

    For example, in Australia a new GSX Suzuki 1400 was about $13,000 before they were discontinued, a Vee Strom 650, ~$10,000.

    A Ural in Australia is around $17,000 - $18,000.

    But, as I've also said, each to their own, enjoy your ride, whatever it may be.
  9. Billtr96sn

    Billtr96sn Flange Furtler

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    I have put about 4,000 miles on my rig since my build, I have never needed 2 wheel drive or reverse, sure they may come in handy, but you dont need them, so IMHO they can be ignored as a luxury or a gimmick that helps them sell.
  10. windmill

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    Front end issue, http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=700385

    final drive issue, http://www.advrider.com/forums/search.php?searchid=16840548

    swing arm issue http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=546251&highlight=swingarm+failure

    What your saying is what I have been saying all along, just because a few folks have issues, it doesn't mean everyone will or even that it is typical. All machines break, all machines have weak points,some more than others, and even major manufacturers don't always get it perfect all the time, or solve things as fast as customers desire. This is nothing new.

    You say a Ural is not best for what you do, and others have found that they are for what they do. So who's opinion is right? they both are, only a fool would say otherwise.

    Things do get sticky when others opinions don't jibe with yours, don't they?
  11. oppozit

    oppozit Banned

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    Let's all present IMZ-Ural/IMWA failures to the NHSTA in the U.S. and see how long it survives? Yes, all machines break, but at what percentage? 1%? Or 10%? Still want to play the game? Don't defend bad manufacture, or you may not have anything left to defend! Ural's QA/QC SUCKS! It's warranty response saves it. Thanks to extremely low milage it still exists. As milages grow?
  12. windmill

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    You don't "need" reverse in a car (BTDT) but who buys a car without it. You don't "need" 4wd/AWD in a car, but how many folks get cars with it?

    I have a 2wd Ural and my wife has a AWD Outback, I sure don't miss chaining up in the am on snowy days to get out the drive and up the hill. My Ural is my only transportation, I really like reverse, wouldn't have a rig without it.

    I have 70.000 km on my rig, I don't "need" to be able to cruise over 65 mph, I don't "need" service intervals longer than 2500 km. "sure they may come in handy, but you don't need them, so IMHO they can be ignored as a luxury or a gimmick that helps them sell"

    Get what I'm saying?
    We have a saying here, Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one..................and the other guys stinks.





    Maybe it's just me, but isn't worrying whats "needed" and "efficient" on a sidecar rig kind of esoteric? :wink:
  13. windmill

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    I'm not defending any manufacturers bad engineering or QC, or claiming any is better or worse, just that it exists in the real world despite what internet warriors may say about what ever particular machine they choose to have issue with. I'm sure if things are as bad as you want them to be, it will come out.

    No doubt Ural needs to improve some things, but who doesn't?
  14. roscoau

    roscoau Been here awhile

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  15. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    I live in the "sandhills". That should say it all, but if you need a visual, imagine living in a powdery loose sand beach with lots of hills and no ocean. 2wd drive is the difference between fighting your rig to get up a hill every 100m or just cruising along.

    So, necessary? Probably not. But now I can run the terrain without slowing down, so why would I do without?

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  16. oppozit

    oppozit Banned

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    12 million owners of ИЖ didn't need it, as didn't 3.2+ million owners of ИМЗ/УРАЛ, and what(?) 1.5 million КМЗ/Днепр owners didn't need it, I guess you Americans really are exceptional!
  17. Eaglebeak

    Eaglebeak Aussie BM rider, West Oz.

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    You're right, $15,000 for one with nothing much.
    (My cut and paste technique is crap)

    <TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=body_text vAlign=top width="100%">"T" RRP Eastern Australia $15,532 + state rego
    Colour: Matt Black (no pinstripe)
    Features: Single saddle seat



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    But for one with a screen and two seats, tonneau, etc . . . $17,000.

    I built my reliable GSX1400 for $15,500 and that was with cash going to fabricators.













    And to reply to Windmill, no, things don't get sticky when others opinions don't jibe with mine.

    Each to their own, but I was giving my experience of BM's after your statement about the infamous "rear end failures".
    I think this so called rear end failure is, as we Australians say, "a bit of a Furphy".
    From what I've sometimes read on this site about BM rear end failures, BM's should be dropping like flies, but I see heaps and heaps of BM's at Border runs and the like.
    Percentage of failures, compared to bikes sold, maybe compared to total miles, now that'd be interesting !

    I'll say it again, in my opinion, the new Urals in Australia are overpriced.



    </TD><TD class=body_text vAlign=top width="100%">Tourist RRP Eastern Australia $17,017 + state rego
    Features: Bench seat, sidecar windshield, tonneau cover, spare wheel, floor mat



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  18. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    We Americans most certainly are exceptional. We are also literate! Read the post. I said 2wd was not neccesary, but made traversing the terrain easier and faster.

    I guess reading comprehension isn't near as important as showing one's arse. Then again, that describes most of this thread.

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    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    Hmmmm....the forum doesn't seem to like Russian now and is chopping my posts. Fixed it.

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  20. Norms 427

    Norms 427 Been here awhile

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    I have a 2012 BMW 1200RT and the long list of changes and redesigns of the FD in just the last several years is dizzying and confusing. They seem to be groping in the dark. The BMW forums discuss the FD issues every so often.

    I'm quoting a recent thread: "After over 145 individual complaints filed between April 2001 and August 2011, the NHTSA has opened its first official investigation into the failure of crown gear bearings on BMW models equipped with the Paralever style final drive. NHTSA investigation DP12001 opened 1/20/12 is centered on 1999-2005 K1200LTs for now."

    NHTSA isn't concerned about general "reliability" issues, just those that can endanger life and limb, like the above mentioned final drives *sometimes* locking up on the BMWs.

    I'm not planning on selling my Ural or my BMW anytime soon ... I'm happy with both of 'em. My 2011 Ural has 17000 km of virtually trouble-free miles and I'm loving it. But I don't beat the whey out of it. My BMW is more reliable than my Ural, I'm sure, but which is more fun? Variety is wonderful.

    With a Ural, it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't. "To each his own", said the old lady as she kissed the cow. :D