Why you should NOT buy a Ural motorcycle

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by bokad, May 28, 2012.

  1. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    So you've been to Russia? Lived there maybe? You buy some other Russian products? You don't think there are quality control issues with almost everything made in that country? Sure it's not NICE to say that as a whole the country has huge QC issues. True though.

    Yep, that sounds very Ural indeed. Needing to replace the cylinder I mean.
    Blah blah blah... why so defensive and petty? Is this the part where I'm supposed to list my credentials to meet your approval? Talk about war zones and bombs and park benches I've slept on? Will it be enough adventure for you? Will I get your approval then?
    Do you really need to personally denigrate people that don't like the bike you own to reassure yourself?
  2. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    I agree with all of that.

  3. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    I mean that sincerely. I hope she will start her trip soon so I can read the report! Sounds like she is going to have a great adventure with two bikes and some dogs!

  4. Oldmanriding

    Oldmanriding Adventurer

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    Let me know when your back and we will talk about your M-70. Maybe we can help each other out. I have traveled the 3rd world and understand the QC issues of which you speak. But I'm done traveling and a Ural would be a hobby bike for me. I hope the rest of your trip goes more smoothly.
  5. uraldog

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    waiting to Bid/buy the M70 PM me when ready to get rid of it :deal
  6. windmill

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    Wow, you are a piece of work.

    I'm not the brightest BB in the box, and it only took me a couple of hours of browsing the on line forums to have a solid understanding of what Urals are all about.

    It just amazes me that you have the ability to aquire the means to do what you have done, yet be so lacking in judgment in how to use it, or the character to take responsibility to your mistakes.

    Ural builds Urals for folks who want Urals, if a Ural isn't right for you that's ok, but really who's fault is that?
  7. GeezerStank

    GeezerStank Been here awhile

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    "I am always amazed at how forgiving Ural owners are"

    If you go into Ural ownership with your eyes open, yes you are forgiving, you know what you are buying,It's a well known fact that if your new Ural is gonna break, it'll happen quick after you buy it. Guzzis have a sorting out period too. It's the same for guys that buy Ducatis. No one else makes a bike that is like these limited production bikes, they do have warts, but riding them is satisfying far beyond just riding a soulless sewing machine. Certain people like the weirdness of off brands and put up with whatever comes there way. Before I bought mine, Ural, Guzzis or anything else, I read every forum and every post in those forums so I know what is up and what could happen. By 1600kms I had my two failures, with Ural America's help, they were fixed in record time, since then nothing else has happened. Pretty much what I expected.......

    Some of the problems you listed could be easily sorted by yourself if you knew how to wrench. In the time you've spent screwing around here you could have shimmed your needles, put in larger main jets, gone over the bikes and tightened up what is probably some loose hose clamps, just a little participation and viola, smooth running Ural....I know, they should come perfect from the factory, and the dealer should cater to your every need, but in the real world it isn't like that in 98% of any m/c dealerships.
  8. JohnBG

    JohnBG Slow Moving Three Wheeler

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    Sheesh bokad why don't you post this on Soviet Steeds? You about linked to everything else. :eek1

    Got to any KLR or Harley (or any other motorcycle forum) and you will find a section full of problems that people have with them. Ural is not unique in that respect.

    If ya thought Urals sucked so bad, why did you buy two new ones? :lol3

    If sure if you want to sell your Urals, there are folks here at ADV or Soviet Steeds that will take them off your hands. :deal
  9. Paint shaker

    Paint shaker Been here awhile

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    I somewhat agree the price of a new Ural is a bit steep for what you are getting. But then again the price of everything is going up!



    Before I bought my Ural (a 1997 unit with a 2008 motor/trans/final drive/ducati igntion built by a very reputable dealer) I did a LOT of research. I looked for the good, the bad and the down right ugly. It never occurred to me during my research to compare a Ural (even a new one) to ANY brand new motorcycle. I drew my comparisions to the BMWs, Dneprs, Zundapps, Harley WLAs and XAs of the era (30s-40s). I considered if I could I even find one of these other units, the price, the price and availabilty of parts, the reliability and people who had real knowledge of any of those old units.

    In my dream world where money is no object, the Ural would not have been my first choice. Since I am not independently wealthy, the Ural was my real world choice. It is not a perfect motorcycle. I do not claim to be a mechanic. But I am pretty good at changing parts. Have I taken something apart and made panic'd phone calls to my reputable dealer? Yup? Did I need to? Probably not, as the answer provided was very near what I was thinking or readily found on the www.

    That being said, I am glad you started this thread. There is some truth through out it, some fiction and some opinion. There are some things in the thread that would have made me do more research, but nothing that would have scared me away from a Ural. I truly hope potential new Uralists read it as part of their research. I am not hear to tell them what bike to buy.

    I also hope that you find a motorcycle that is more suited to your expectations.

    :freaky
  10. AlanCT

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    I knew he had recorded it, and it was just a matter of time before it showed up here.:D

    I don't recall any Urals breaking that weekend, in spite of the rough treatment. QBall doesn't count, since his arrived broken.
  11. perterra

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    To add something to Mr Cobs post, you probably dont want a klr either. :lol3 Damn, I sure want a Ural now. You guys got me yearning for a sense of adventure. Improving the bike is part of the enjoyment. Be different if it threw a rod every 2,000 miles but it appears to be a bunch of little stuff for the most part.
  12. smelick

    smelick Once you hack...

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    I agree with Davide.. There are plenty of "new" reputable manufactured motorcycles to date built on 1940's technology. To mention a few.

    Genuine Scooters:
    http://www.genuinescooters.com/
    Made in India

    Royal Enfield:
    http://www.royalenfield.com/
    Made in India

    Ridley Motorcycle
    http://www.ridleymotorcycle.com/
    United States

    And others companies may produce a model as such. Triumph Bonneville, Indian Chief Vintage, The Whizzer, the uber cool albeit limited Falcon, etc. etc.. come to mind.

    Most of the above provide warranties, dealers, parts and service to those of us who live in the States that is above and beyond your run-of-the mill Chinese knock off.

    Point is there is definitely a niche market for new low technology motorcycles in this world. A well informed buyer should know this and accept some risk when looking to buy a Ural.

    Likewise, every company will produce lemons, I am wondering what your dealer said when you let them know about the quality of your Urals?

    -Scott
  13. ruckuschick

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    Well Bokad you certainly know how to start and host a lively thread. :clap
  14. windmill

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    A Urals price is about the economic realities of volume, not "value".

    If you compair a Urals price to other low volume, hand built specialty bikes like Rokon, Confederate, Big Dog, or custom built sidecar rigs then their price seems like a real bargain. Ural builds around 1000 rigs a year, they just don't benefit from the advantages of volume the way a manufacturer who builds !00,000 or a 1000000 bikes a year does.

    Look at what it costs to have DMC, or CSM do a custom rig, A lot of folks end up $30 K - $40 K into their rigs. Is that over priced compared to a Ural T's $10 K price tag? Certainly not, those custom rigs are carefully hand built in very small volumes, they dont do it as a public service or charity, they charge what they need it to provide the product and turn a profit the same as Ural.

    Price, fair value, and value to an individual are very different things.
  15. oppozit

    oppozit Banned

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    Perhaps you'd like to compare Irbit wages with North American wages and recalculate the price differential? Also DMC and CSM do ACTUAL custom outfits - not churn out 800 of the essentially same model. Try comparing apples to apples NOT apples to Chinese Gooseberries.
  16. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    Yes,
    But shipping materials from all over the world to the factory, the completed rigs to their final destinations, the need for EPA, and Dot certification of a motor vehicle in several countries meeting several standards, supporting a multi national dealer and distributing network, stocking spare parts, and many other things significantly marginalize the advantages of wages lower wages in Russia. Also these are things that the custom builders here in the US are not burdened with.

    Yes it is apples to Chinese gooseberries, but the comparisons in question are fair and relevant none the less.



    PS.
    I'm shocked you are letting his extremely disparaging comments about Russia and the Russian people slide without comment, I'm of German/Italian decent and I found them offensive.
  17. FR700

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    * snort * ... you might want to revise your production figures somewhat .



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  18. GeezerStank

    GeezerStank Been here awhile

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    I don't know about Chinese Gooseberries, but to build a GS rig with 2wd and reverse, and a nice steel tub, then powder coat every piece on the bike, frame and tub, it's easily $30k plus, so that's apples to apples as far as functionality goes. For $15k the Ural is a comparative deal that goes about 10-15 mph slower cruise speed and has an unlimited mileage 2 year warranty. I'm pretty happy showing up a few hours later with an extra $15k plus in my bank account. But if I was a rich guy, I'd probably try one of them ubber rigs out.....:D.

    Uh oh, is there a Beemer/Ural flamer coming, heheh? If so, after that we can finish up with an oil discussion.....:eek1
  19. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    There are several motorcycle manufacturers who produce over 100,000 bikes a year, and doesn't Honda produce close to a million bikes a year?

    yes? no? :ear
  20. FR700

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    You stated that Ural produces 1000 units per year . That number would be closer to their weekly output .
    If you check Urals homepage you will see that they recently opened twenty two ( 22 ) new dealers globally . At a thousand units per year ... what are they all going to sell ? ... clothing ... that's harley's shtick ...
    . Ural to date have already produced over 3.2 million units since production began . http://www.imz-ural.com/

    Fuck honda , the conversation is about Urals :lol3


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