Why you should NOT buy a Ural motorcycle

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by bokad, May 28, 2012.

  1. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    Your own own words to me were "The Ural is just not geared low enough for hard off road use"

    Yep, the Patrol will be sold.

  2. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    It amazes me too!
    I made a mistake in buying a Ural. Responsibility taken. What's your point?


    Mine for buying. Ural plays a hand in misrepresenting it. And if I want to inform other people that a Ural may not be right for them, why does that bother you?
  3. oppozit

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    Disagree all you like. Jay and Claude and their workers earn a damn lot more than anyone at IMZ in Irbit and yet they can turn out outfits with a cheap tug, cheaper than IMWA sells an outfit in the US, cheaper than in Europe and a hell of a lot cheaper than here in OZ. And those outfits are better for most purposes than a Ural. I love Urals and Dneprs and even accept the various Changs, but I know Urals are well overpriced for what they are, and aren't what they are too frequently advertised as.

    I disagree with about 1/3rd of what Bokad wrote, but wholeheartedly agree with the other 2/3rds.

    From what I've seen, read and heard of in Australia, the actual rate of "catastrophic failures" (where bikes must be towed away because repairs are not immediately possible) is about 10%. (About 18 of 180 bikes in four years.) Not a good number. From what I've seen in European and US forums the rate is probably the same elsewhere.

    What saves URAL/IMWA is most bikes are toys and not ridden. Yes I know a few have high miles, but really - 32,000 km in eight years proves anything? I get that sort of mileage just going to and from the shop for fresh fruit and veges. I could use the scooter or the solo but the chair is so handy for the unexpected purchase.
  4. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    You are misleading. You have compared an extremely high end custom rig to the barest bones cheapest Ural available.

  5. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    I said Russia by and large produces low quality goods and has big quality control problems. I said nothing about Russian people.

    If you disagree about the quality control, please explain.

  6. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    From asking several dealers the answer is around 800 to 1500 Urals produced per YEAR currently.

  7. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    Well, this has been fun!

    Lots of personal attacks.
    Lots of blah blah blah.

    Very little of people actually explaining how the Ural is not one of the most unreliable new production bikes sold in the USA.

    Lots of people complaining that it's not nice to say Russia has bad quality control.

    Very little of people showing that it doesn't

    Anything new to add or can we wrap this drama up?
  8. bokad

    bokad Difficult Child

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    And why does it seem that many of the people extolling the virtues of Ural and claiming that it is good value have older cheaper Urals?

    If a new Ural is a great value fore the price, why don't you get one?

    I'm beginning to understand now! Yes, if you bought a used Ural, warts and all, for a few thousand dollars it's not a bad deal. If you paid $14,000 for a new one and it has some warts, not so great.
  9. robclarke

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    Agree. Rob.
  10. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    I believe you are probably thinking of California, which would likely be due to emissions standards. If so, Ural wouldn't be the only vehicle you can't buy there. At one point you couldn't buy diesel cars there.



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  11. YOUNZ

    YOUNZ Been here awhile

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    It's no secret alcohol (vodka) is a major problem in Russia. Is it an issue at the Ural factory? I think we would have to say, probably. :cry
  12. prestonpaul

    prestonpaul What?

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    Take this with a grain of salt as I have never owned a Ural or an outfit, but by the sound of things your dealer has let you down as well. In my opinion your ural should have been tuned correctly from the outset, I understand they are tuned lean to meet emissions laws but once money has changed hands and the contract is signed, a decent experienced dealer should go right over the bike making sure everything is right, including tuning and jetting. Same with the solo, if they can't kick start it, they should be rectifying it!
    As far as adding a sidecar to another bike, don't forget that if the tug is new, you may as well throw the warranty out the window, because I don't think anyone is going to honor it!.
    Good luck with everything, I hope you keep going on your journey as I am enjoying the ride report. I hope once you get these issues sorted out the ural gets you the rest of the way there with a minimum of fuss.
    Paul.
  13. MartyL

    MartyL Been here awhile

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    I had a 2005 Patrol. Owned it for five years. Sold it for close to what I paid for it. Basically was a very fun free ride. Bought a 2010 Gear Up. Having an absolute blast! I can't even put in words how I've enjoyed my Ural. Bokad, if and when you sell your Urals I hope you get the price you want. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at your ROI on your Ural investment. I hope your sale isn't negitively effected by this thread. Much luck yo you. Happy trails...
  14. madeouttaglass

    madeouttaglass The AntiHarley

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    No personal attacks from me, but I will keep defending the two Urals that I've owned. I've been around wrenches for almost 40 years and have rebuilt car and bike engines, trannys and everything else. I know junk and decent stuff. Both of MY Urals have been decent machines that haven't required any fixing or "tinkering" in many thousands of miles.
    If I were to go by forum problems I'd be afraid to buy anything ever made including BMWs.
    I am sorry to hear that the Ural hasn't worked out for the OP. If I were to plan a trip like that I'd probably pick a lightweight two wheeler. By his ride report description it sounds like any sidecar rig would be frustrating on those hills and traffic. For that matter, that trip by any means would find me wishing I'd picked another place to see. Too much rain, people, traffic and filth for me.
    Best of luck on a better ending to this trip.
    Tom
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    Damn, haven't had so much fun since I farted in a crowed elevator!:clap

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  16. Slug.go

    Slug.go Been here awhile

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    Let me know when you're selling the outfit.
    Interesting debate, thanks for starting it. Enjoy your trip!
  17. Marvin and towser

    Marvin and towser Plain Mr. Botany (B)

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    I don't have a Ural but have looked and admired plenty. The OP has admitted to frustration when starting this tread but I think he has a point. The new 750cc models are marketed as MUCH more reliable when in reality they are probably just more reliable. Everyone knows you are going to be spending more time with tools in your hands with a URAL but if with the new design this was pretty much limited to the shorter time between services than other bikes I don't think anyone would complain. (In fact I change the oil on my Honda every 1000 miles and do the filter and screens at the same time as my Honda has a top end that is notorious for needing exactly the correct amount of clean oil so URAL has no mayor disadvantage there. The difference is perhaps that my bike was the Uk equivelent of $2000 with 17K on the clock so I don't mind doing the maintenance. I knew about the weak or rumoured to be weak top end when I bought the bike and its accepted as a trade off for a cheap combination.) It is very easy to be taken in by the cool looks of a Ural and by the hype concerning how much better they are now with the 750 so it is useful to get the views of people who have owned them both good and bad. I'm sure someone else will get the his rigs and have a blast with them. The OP has not been put off riding by this experience and admits he bought them because he liked the looks but they were not for him, he is asking questions in other threads about different chairs and bikes and I'm sure he will find an outfit to suit him. Some bikes just are not for some people I had a BMW K100 for a while. In the time I had it the rear break switch failed and that was it, it was smooth capable and fast but I never gelled with it, if you asked my why I sold it I couldn't tell you. This thread may tip some people away from buying a URAL, they are probably the people who won't enjoy it anyway. So the OP has probably saved some people from cash and in the end may have helped URAL by making sure that people who buy them are not disappointed as they go in eyes open and become ambassadors.
  18. MartyL

    MartyL Been here awhile

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    When was the last time you got head on a motorcycle while going 60 mph down the road? Urals rock! :wink:
  19. Marvin and towser

    Marvin and towser Plain Mr. Botany (B)

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    :clap

    :rofl Careful the ATGATT guys will be jumping in demanding that you are wearing the proper protection.
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    Prmurat Long timer

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