Why you should NOT buy a Ural motorcycle

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by bokad, May 28, 2012.

  1. Dynamick

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    In 9 days this thread will have its' birthday...
    I admit I haven't read it all from page 1, yet. Been thinking on and off about joining the sidecar ranks. Thinking more since my face plant...
    Anyway, :ear& :eyes open.

    In :lurk
  2. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    Just wait until you have a face plant on a hack. It is a MUCH more violent experience. :eek1
  3. Montague

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    Don't go scaring the poor guy, liable to make him go off and buy a BRP Spyder.

    With all the nanny electronics, not sure if one can face plant without external force (i.e. another vehicle or really bad driving) but damn it they look so weird!

    My wife is off at a BRP test ride today but no matter what she buys, I am keeping my Ural.
  4. Dynamick

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    THANKS!!!

    That is NOT going to happen to me.
  5. Prmurat

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    If she buys a Can Am, you will have the best of both worlds: the Ural for the dirt/expedition and the Can Am for fast touring in comfort... I have both and love them equally (OK I love more the Ural..Can Am is so weird and ugly...but 650 miles a day with no pain is a great argument!). Fact that I just broke, a little, my leg, last Sunday on a bike makes the 3 wheelers looking better and better!!:lol3
  6. Montague

    Montague UDF Adventurer

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    Yep, I hear you. She is just learning to ride this year at the tender age of 59 and to be honest, I would feel she is safer on the Spyder. They are an amazing machine in terms of modern technology, safety and comfort.

    And I am not afraid to admit that I might drift in that direction but for now, I will stick with old Russian iron.
  7. WVhillbilly

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  8. Bar None

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    I just as soon wait as I'd prefer not to have that experience on my Ural.
  9. Audaciter

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    I know I am very late to this thread, but...

    I want a rig of some sort, and there will be one in my relatively near future (as I get settled in a new area, and new job). I want a hack to go camping, take my dog, and eventually do a long adventure (My dream is to get absolutely lost on the TAT).

    I do not have a ton of money, but I do ok.

    My options are a new Ural, a used Ural, or a used non-Ural rig. I can not afford, nor do I have the time, to do a fully custom dual sport rig. I'd love a great DS rig, but how often do used ones come up for sale?

    I decided to torture myself with the thread, and I will admit, for the first several pages, I was seriously upste because I sort of have my heart set on a Ural.

    However, as I read and read and read (I haven't finished the thread, I don't have THAT much time on my hands), I started to get more confident. I've had problems on my previous bikes. Some are known issues that have been known issues for the entire life cycle of the model! Why should Ural problems be any worse? I am a member of a forum dedicated to one of my other bikes, and it also has a "Wrenching" section that would make you think they explode spontaneously if you look at them funny.

    So, thank you Bokad, for convincing me...that I absolutely want a Ural.
  10. Warin

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    Patience and let people know you're looking. It will come over time if you have enough of it.

    :D Good to see you doing the research. Read MrCobs stuff and leave him a message, he could know of one available. No harm in asking.
  11. Audaciter

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    I appreciate it!

    I'm still a ways off (several months at least) from any purchase, but I am keeping my on eye both the Flea market here, and the hack sub forum flea market thread.

    My heart is leaning Ural. I just need to be careful to not let it over ride good research.

    :D
  12. tattoogunman

    tattoogunman Been here awhile

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    Yeah, just keep an eye out for one. I spent years reading up on them and was finally able to get mine a few months ago. I was lucky to have a Ural expert in the neighborhood a week ago and he helped me get mine road worthy again. Everyone always told me to pick up a well sorted used one versus new - you'll save a ton of money. I don't think mine was as sorted out as I had hoped, but it's all good - it's good now. :D
  13. Audaciter

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    It's definitely fun (and a bit torturous) having a look around.

    The only reason I'd lean towards a new one is the warranty. Two years of having any and all issues sorted out for free sounds pretty good. But I am by no means opposed to a used one, or a non-Ural.
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  16. jamraqui

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    Bokad-
    I wanted to thank you for taking the time to assemble that email "way back when" about Urals and their issues. I'm a 25-year veteran of motorcycle mechanics (professionally trained, registered tech with several brands, etc) and had accidentally fallen in love with the Ural idea... I even put my Harley up for sale to buy one. The thought of being able to go anywhere while carrying everything I needed was priceless.
    But your post saved me from "a fate worse than death", per-se. I still love the Ural idea and am searching for a suitable 2WD sidecar substitute. I even considered buying a Ural Gear-Up and replacing all the things that tend to fail... but nobody make better, stronger, more durable parts for Urals yet to any noteworthy degree. I'd just be replacing a host of parts every 3k-20k miles or so with the same parts that would fail in another 3k-20k or so... ad infitinum. And when you're talking transmissions and driveline components (at least) every 20k miles, that's just too much. :twitch

    I'm rambling... in short:
    1. Thank you. Your efforts are appreciated, especially all the supporting links. I read almost all of them one Saturday.
    2. Still seeking a 2WD off-road capable bike/sidecar rig. Any ideas?
    3. Keep up the good work and don't let those without overwhelming counter-evidence try to dissuade you from your work. Nothing carrys weight quite like "evidence".
    4. For the Ural-lovers out there, I TRULY want to be one of you and I can obviously handle "maintenance and repairs"... but Ural is going to have to become a better starting product before I buy one. And that is in spite of the fact that I REALLY, REALLY want to buy one.

    Thanks again, bokad-
    jamraqui
  17. RidingDonkeys

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    Just buy an old Ural and do a BMW engine swap. Richard in Highlands, NC has been doing them for decades, and has even sold a couple of his rigs over the years.


    Sent from the voices in my head and transcribed by their drinking buddy...
  18. Montague

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    I have over 22k on my 06 and haven't replaced any mechanical parts other than re jetting the carb and putting a Modtop air box on.

    Just tires, brake pads, filter and fluids.

    Good thing I don't have any professional training or I might have not bought one.

    Thanks again Bokad and Jamrquil, you have given me much amusement as I continue to enjoy my Ural.
    :rofl
  19. GeezerStank

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    What's really wrong with the Ural is it's hit and miss on quality. Some guys buy them and they have no issues, then there's the other side of that, it's luck of the draw and you could end up with an expensive RPOC like I did. Ural is striving to source good parts and make things better, great company and really dedicated to making a better product. They aren't there yet but trying hard! But when you spend $13,000 plus and add in farkles, that's a fair amount of money and you would hope that the bike would run out good and last. You can buy a used BMW GS hack rig for the same money, but no reverse or 2WD. If I could have seen into the future I would have done the Beemer thing instead, but I'm glad I tried a Ural, I love the damn things, but I got a lemon of epic proportions and the experience was bad and expensive with a couple grand loss at the end when I offloaded it.

    Mine was a 2010, in 7200 miles, snapped rocker arm(not in recall vin list), new crank(slinger came loose), new trans, blown diff, two rim replacements(warped hubs), electrical problem that left me stranded in the middle of nowhere. And on top of that the last dealer visit, it was in the shop for 6 months when it should have been there for maybe a month at most. I got it back and had just had enough, sold it. It really hurt to get rid of it, Urals are just such a fun bike to ride, but mine lost my trust. I would bet that the guy that bought mine, since everything mechanical was new again will probably enjoy years of trouble free riding, or as is the case with Urals, the replacement parts could be no better than the stuff that broke, heheh.

    This is the first I have said about this, I'm not a bokad that wants to sh#t all over the brand or it's owners. I know many many people even with older rigs that have had many miles of trouble free service. Me, in the luck of the draw got a pile of junk. After it was fixed several times and maybe made right, by then I had lost interest and felt my money could be spent better elsewhere. I still think I will get another Ural, but I will buy used and at 1/3 the cost of a new one, and if that one breaks it won't be such a big deal, my investment will be small and the bike categorized as a toy instead of a serious machine.

    I still go out almost everyday and look at Urals for sale, a 2007 or 2008 that's sorted with some miles on it would fill the bill, but I'll wait a few more years until the prices come down on that year range. Once you own a Ural it's in your blood, they are such a cool rig to ride!! I am truly very sad that I got a bad one, I wanted to be buried with that bike, heheh......
  20. JustKip

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    Talking about how great the bike is can only be credible after it's done something noteworthy. I've seen a few reports of actual high mileage Urals, but 22,000 km is under 14,000 miles. Two stroke Chinese scooters are capable of the same top speed and longevity.

    Many modern Jap bikes wouldn't have had their first valve adjustment yet. At that mileage, my '07 GS was barely broke in and had had the oil changed and valves adjusted twice, and still had the original brakes.

    Simple matter of fact, as noted by "GeezerStank", is that the quality IS hit and miss :deal
    I also love the ride, but 1 of the 3 rigs owned by my friends has had serious issues (a '12 GU). That ain't great odds.

    All 3 had fewer than 10k kms, and both '07s were sold before being what I would call "run in" after 4-5 years...and THAT's the problem with the "I like it" testimonials.
    There aren't that many of the rigs out there to begin with, and the guys that rack up the miles (the guy who just did FL to AK comes to mind) are few and far between. 22,000 kms in 7 years is about 2k miles a year. That's light recreational use and, unfortunately, with most of the "I like it" talk comes from those sources it actually detracts from the credibility.