Wierd oil filter issue on 2005 1200gs

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  1. Britome

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    So my buddy comes over to change his oil on his 2005. I think, no problem. Ill use the same filter I use for my 2011gsa which is the same as from my old 1150gsa. I got the numbers from the advrider thread.

    I change the oil and it leaks a waterfall. I shut the bike off and test everything and it happens again. So, I have a fram filter and it snugs up nice and the same thing all over again.

    We ended up putting his BMW brand back on and no problems. Is the 2005 filter different than others or am I missing something?!
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  2. ragtoplvr

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    stuck gasket inside the case recess
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  3. Britome

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    Nope
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  4. Girthy Knobkers

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    Hmm, had the same thing happen and the gasket from the old filter was stuck up in there... check yer rubber!
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  5. German Trick

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    While the threads and sealing ring ID and OD are the same, the thickness is not.

    R11xx on the left; R1200 on the right. Oil filters are the same on R1200s from '05 ~ '12.

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  6. Britome

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    Yes. Just double checked part numbers. Wierd. The 1150 filter is longer but it still fits.

    I know the ring was not up inside the cavity.

    After we changed the oil with the same filter and went on a trip, his engine got water locked on a stream crossing. The oil in the sight glass was kaluah and cream. We drained the oil and also dumped out oil from the oil filter and refilled with new oil to get home.

    We now need to have the right oil and new filter for sure. I'm stumped. I'll put one of my filters back on a gain after checking for the 10th time that the ring isn't detached.
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  7. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    I don't understand why this is weird. Use the wrong oil filter and get leaks. Use the correct oil filter and all will be well.
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  8. hillbillypolack

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    ^ This. I don't use the wrong filters on my bikes. Try the correct part number / filter and proceed to be amazed.

    PM me the VIN when you get a chance so I can reference it when I'm looking for a used bike. :norton
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  9. ragtoplvr

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    Buy a Mobil 1 filter, M-102 it firts the wrench and the bike perfectly, good filter.

    Rod
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  10. Britome

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    I stay away from the electronic trash talking on this forum that is a hobby to some but since I'm relatively bored...

    I won't have this bike for sale for at least another 100k miles. That is about how long both of my previous 1150GSA's went and never with a BMW filter other than the one that came with the bikes brand new with the original owners.

    I'm not against BMW oil filters. I just don't have a dealer inside 90 miles of where I live. I guess I could be better in planning and stock pile a few and pay for shipping but I'm not that anal. When I notice the odometer is at 3k and my Saturday is free, I drive and get the supplies at the auto store.

    And when I have a few thousand ticks on my odometer please ask me why I have been surfing the web instead of riding the dirt. Also, tell my family that you are sorry for them that I spent more time online than on our relationship.
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  11. German Trick

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    I don't think anyone is saying to use a BMW brand filter, just use one that's made for the R1200 engine.

    Sorry for my confusion but am I'm understanding that you installed a filter for the R11XX to a R1200? If so that may be where the problem lies. I don't believe the rubber seal from the old filter stayed with the engine because when you reinstalled it, the leak stopped.

    Let us know how it goes with the proper, (any brand), filter.
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  12. Britome

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    All is good gents. Sorry for the trash talking. I will do BMW oil filter from here on in.
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  13. rebake

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    I have used the longer 1150 filters on my 05 a few times without any trouble.Ed
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  14. JMead11

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    $26+ tax for a filter at BMW.......... my bike has seen it's last OEM filter too.
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  15. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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  16. ultane

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    Didn't the Fram filter get a thumbs down from some of the more knowledgable inmates a while back!


    I might be wrong... Just ask my X...

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  17. def

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    Haven't seen the Fram product mentioned herein.

    Fram oil filters do get a poor rating from many due to inferior construction and marginal materials. Some years ago, racers reported the oil filter canisters being blown off the base plate causing motor damage and a crash. Also, I have read of cardboard being deposited in the oil galleries of engines.

    I would not use a Fram oil filter. I would however, use their air and fuel filters.

    It is interesting to note their most recent TV ads which show extreme oil pressure tests on Fram oil filters.
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  18. H96669

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    Frams or Pennzoil.....the last obviously came from the same factory.:evilAnyone here ever paid a couple bucks just for the pleasure of gutting them? I have, and kept some interesting pics....:lol3
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  19. def

    def Ginger th wonder dog

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    It is likely that the two filters shown in the photo utilize the same base plate. Therefore the threads are identical.

    Also, I would suspect that the two filters have the same pressure relief and antidrainback specifications.

    Therefore it would follow that either filter could be fitted to either bike. However, it is obvious that the filter freeboard is different for the two applications and therefore, the filters are not interchangeable. Also, I would use caution not to run the smaller filter too long between changes. There is certainly limited filtering capacity in the smaller filter before the pressure relief might come into play.

    Having never seen the oil filter cavity on the 1200, I cannot comment regarding the fitment but, it is likely that the leaking filter was not tightened down onto the mounting base on the engine properly. Or, the filter canister was Leaking at the seam.
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  20. def

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    Well? Where are they?
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