Will they stop me? Who has done it? Leaving bike in country...

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  1. thewildcallsjon

    thewildcallsjon Been here awhile

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    The dates for my Morocco Voyages are fast approaching and whether I will be able to stay the full 33 days over 2.5 months or longer if i so decide, are base on the premise that I will be able to leave my bike at the airport, via customs (much the same as Mick and Tan did) by leaving the bike in the airport paid parking, handing over some of the bike keys, v5, temporary import documents etc...

    However I have found that in many things, the ''Assumption of the worst case scenario is going to happen policy'' has been beneficial.

    Assuming the worst case scenario, that for whatever reason, at either of the Marrakesh, Agadir, or Rabat airports I would use, they tell me:

    ''No you cannot leave your vehicle, you must go out of country'' denied boarding & I just get this repeated message from all people I speak to...
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    Customs staff are somehow not available / closed somehow / nobody there (One would have thought Customs would have to be there 24/7..)
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    Customs catch on to my repeated use of this method to leave my bike in the country, (whether it be because I am using the same airport many times, or the same tourist number issued regarding permissions to leave the country now that bike, keys documents etc have been left...) and they then start taking a disliking to me & for whatever reason decide I can not do this repeatedly... and deny me use of this provision.

    If this was the case, I would either have to try another airport, or just ride straight north to get to Gibraltar or Malaga as soon as possible. However, this is not a good situation, as it would already be 6pm-8pm, dark, and many miles to do with no gaurentee of a ferry crossing. The thing is I am required to be at work in London the next day every week at 9am and it would inevitably mean, I would miss most of the day at work. (4 days in Morocco, 3 days at work - Repeat )

    However twice now delayed flights elsewhere (Ibiza and Gibraltar) have meant I have been late to work, now, as good as an excuse as it may be:

    (Sorry im late, I was on another continent last night, and African officials would not let me leave the country, I had to then ride 500 miles, cross the Strait of Gibraltar sea, and then fly 1,500 miles, only to be hit by rush hour London traffic)
    or
    (Sorry i didn't turn up for work today, my cross country country commute took 15 hours... )

    So far they have found my country hopping quite hilarious, and not been bothered if I was late, but I would rather be punctual off course, & it is the only day of the week I am there that the managers and big cheeses in the office so It would not make the best impression.

    Then I am wanting to know - how is it decided how much permanent import tax I would have to pay? Has anybody permanently imported a Vehicle/Bike into Morocco ? How do I go about this procedure? How quickly can this be done? I know you would need an address to register it to, which im sure is doable via a third party. Perhaps it would be better in my case to permanently import the vehicle, keep it in Morocco forever, for repeated shenanigans around the country? This I would be quite happy with. Then too, surely if it does break down or get stolen, there is no worries about a ridiculous price to pay thereafter... Seems like the better option to me. The bike is a year 2000 Yamaha XJ600, value £1000 or less.

    In any case perhaps i am mowed down by a native gang who catch on to my repeated arrivals at the same airport, and decide to do me a mugging & snatch the moto from my possession. Then having to pay the permanent import 40% anyway...

    What do you think?
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  2. Johann

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    I could probably find somewhere secure for you to stash your bike in S. Portugal if you wanted. Near Evora, transport links to Lisbon are OK, regular coaches to Sete Rios coach/train station, regular cheap buses or metro to airport. Faro is a bit more difficult, nearest train station is Cuba or Evora and probably involves a few changes. Couldn´t guarantee it would be in a place with a roof but a cover would take care of that. PM me if interested.
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  3. thewildcallsjon

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    Thanks Johann, thats very kind of you to offer. Its sounds brilliant as a potential thing, after Morocco, I was intending to keep the bike somewhere in Spain or Gibraltar, but bearing in mind it has been in Spain several months already, I think I can only keep it in the country so long before they zap you with a ridiculous fine, so Faro seemed the better option, before being ready to get it down to the Canary Islands. I may take you up on the offer.

    Regarding the Morocco Medley, the intention is to have the bike ready in the country, to go, so I can reach all corners of the country potentially in a 4 day blast, because im not doing it on a time off from work week or two, it would not really work to take the ferry across each time. To lay it on the table, the first few flights are booked, I am hoping to do a minimum 10 straight weeks, 4 days riding in Morocco, fly back on 4th day, work 3 days, fly back, 4 days riding in Morocco, fly back on 4th day... repeat for 10 weeks, this will take 2.5 months approx. If i get away with it, book a bunch more flights and continue this for a month or two more non stop upto 6 months so I can cut a broad swathe of Morocco, to live deep & simply in the desert, & suck out all the marrow of life in Morocco.

    Ive noticed a few people also mentioning having to do something at the 3 month interval? is that so? what exactly has to be done? how do i do it ?
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    Well...everything's booked. Insurance. Green Card. Bike is left in Spain. All Puncture repair gear obtained. One way Ferry. 20+ Flights booked. Work. Fly. Ride the desert. Fly back. Repeat. Il take the chances.

    Nobody can tell me that I cant do it, who can say for sure that it is impossible. Only customs call tell me that, so it has to be tried. The opportunity to fully explore this strange desert land is too good to pass up. If it works I can potentially keep going back until the full 6 months is up in Morocco.

    It it were not for a kind young American man who flew to the UK, bought a bike, rode around Europe and left his motorbike in Spain for me and told me to ride it around on some adventures I would not have this chance to get to Morocco for at least a year as my other bike is in German Territory. I will cross on the ferry, and attempt to repeatedly leave the bike there with customs security at various airports. Im going to leave extra time going to the airport early, to allow for processing this and passing security.

    If it becomes a problem, I will ride out of the country taking a ferry back to Gibraltar, and miss a day at work - with the excuse that the Moroccan Government would not let me fly. The next week I will fly back, ride the bike back in and permanently import the bike. The 40% so £400 or less, is not too bad a scenario, for potential endless future Morocco rendezvous.

    It is a country that I have found fascinating last time I was there, and with the beauty and the lure of the Sahara, epitomized by the Legendary Austin Vince I have to go there & see it all for myself. Check out the 3 Mondo Sahara videos on his website for some inspiration and strange beautiful music.
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    Cheers !

    Let us know how it goes, really curious what the guys at airport will say in the end when you turn up with your bike and reference to what you have discussed previously.

    Safe travels and happy new year mate ;)

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    Good luck, let us know how you get on. I bet that import duty is set on the New value of the vehicle.
    If I was you I would rent an XR250 Tornado from these guys. Loc2roues.com in Marrakech


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    it doesn't seem worth it the prices renting a bike in Morocco for the duration I would like to be in Morocco... much better if you can keep your own bike in the country, you pay nothing for the bike, except perhaps a couple euros a day airport parking while out of the country..
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    Fishnbiker Tire smuddy, hook swet

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    How long would this go on for? A few visits, weeks, months? Maybe a second bike that's registered there? Work a deal with a rental agency to rent your second one out when you don't need it? Moroccans are ALWAYS working the angles. You should be able to find something.
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    The answers to your questions are in earlier posts. What do you mean 'always working the angles'? Do you have any real experience in this? Elaborate.
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    I entered in May 2015 and the insurance office was closed....Rode for three weeks without. Police occasionally checked passport but never asked for insurance.
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  13. Rockred

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    Have you thought of leaving the bike in Ceuta? It's a Spanish enclave in Morocco roughly opposite Gibraltar.
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    Interesting, no I had not thought of that. I did not imagine there was a Spanish part on the Moroccan side. That would work perfectly, except for the issue that Tangier airport does not really have any efficiently priced flights back to the UK even if non direct. But its good to know I could leave it there, take a ferry, and then return without needing to take the bike literally across the sea.

    Does anyone have any information as to which days and when the insurance offices are open or closed on arriving in Tangier Med?

    Its all booked anyway. We begin this month.
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    If you're British, Gibraltar might be a location to stash the bike.
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    I have already kept it in Gibraltar. Only until I rode into Gibraltar, through the border did I have any clue it was English Territory. I found myself in Waitrose, with everyone speaking English, price tags in English, English police. It was... an unexpected surprise. Looking on the map though, is that all the brits managed to claim
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    You can fly direct to London from Gibraltar, there are 2/3 flights a day. If you were to leave your bike in Ceuta then catch the ferry to Algeciras, and then take a taxi to the Gib border and simply walk to the airport in Gib, less than a 5 minute walk. FYI Gib has been British since 1704 and signed over to Britain in 1713 for all time at the treaty of Utrecht. Spain has been trying to go back on its word since then.
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    Yes I have flown back and forward from London to Gibraltar several times now but I will not keep my bike there. It can be left there, in the free bike parking if necessary, and is a convenient short walk to the airport. Just Gibraltar airport sometimes is subject to sheer wind, due to its topographical location, its not the first time my flights have been diverted to Malaga. Ceuta will be a back up option for leaving the bike, but it should not be necessary. The time has finally come gentlemen, as I herald forth across the African Frontier, sheer beauty & unfamiliar wasteland await me. What is the worst that could happen. Dromedaries, Donkey & Goat. Yamaha 600. Sand & Sahara. Pictures to follow
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    IMG_0570.JPG Have a great trip. Looking forward to the photos.
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    Good luck on the ride. Now we expect a ride report with photos soon ...
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