Will you buy the new 1190?

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by sakurama, Oct 4, 2012.

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Will you buy the new KTM 1190?

  1. 1190R - Hell yeah, and I'm going to make it bigger, better and badder!

  2. 1190 - Yup, been waiting for this one. 150hp and 17/19s will KILL!

  3. Multistrada - I've gone/going for better street performance/electronics

  4. BMW GS - I like big heavy bikes - Go Charlie! Go Ewan!

  5. NO! I'm keeping my 950/990 forever (along with my typewriter, corded phone, film camera...)

  6. Really? We need a poll about this?

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  1. burgerking

    burgerking echt bezopen

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    Since when does the (very incapable) Dutch importer knows shit about KTM's....:evil

    Off course they will tell you that, to have you trade in your SMT for an Adv now and the in 2-3 years time when the 1190 SMT will be here you can buy a new bike agian.

    The new Superduke will probably be released at the Eicma in November.
    I can't imangine those riding a SMR now are interested in the Adv they want a new 1190 SMR
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  2. Spark01

    Spark01 V-Twin

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    Your fully wright about this point but i don' know how many of those are sold, but if that aren't a lot of numbers.
    than i'm affraid there isn't going to come another type.

    Neh mine is 2 years old with 26k km on it, so it can last a lot more years + the new adv has only 27 hp (150hp) more than mine with the CPR filter (123hp). + the weight is a lot lower. so.... i wil keep driving it :wink:
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  3. 5 speed

    5 speed Been here awhile

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    For the first time I can say that my 05 950 is a keeper. 17k on the clock just had valves adjusted and were perfect. Motors go 100k

    Fairly farkled
    Jetted perfect-no need for FI. Like simplicity
    Brand new XPC seat
    New front wheel-rim,hub,brakes
    Front suspension just done

    Last thing I am going to do is a steering stabilizer and she's a keeper
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  4. Slvrtundevl

    Slvrtundevl Been here awhile

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    I'm on my second KTM 950.... Love the bikes...but my first bike I lowered the suspension to make it fit... I'm not short by any means ...6ft tall.. But I will be buying the new 1190 if given the option... In fact my 04 950 is for sale in the FM. Because I'm not going through the steps of lowering this one.... Too bad I can't find somebody if 05 or newer to trade me so I can have the shorter suspension.. The added HP is a bonus... I ride 80/20...
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  5. geometrician

    geometrician let's keep going...

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    From the words of the developers...

    "The power is more geared towards a sports bike"

    the LC8 is already slanted that way, I certainly don't want more of that when riding offroad. While some ask for 700/750 etc Adv's, an RC8 with smaller ports & valves & less overlap could make a stump-puller and STILL give us our "old" LC8 horsepower figures which are plenty for real-world use.

    ---

    Being Service Manager at a KTM shop allows you to ride everything- service bikes & new models.

    My opinion? In order:

    the Super Duke is the best of all the LC8's
    the Super Enduro is crazy-fun & sits well
    the ADV works well everywhere if too tall for some
    the SMT is OK but Honda-like in its vanilla-tude, high (hot) mufflers are NAFF on a sport-tourer
    the SMR's are pretty much useless other than in town-even then they're too big & powerful to act as a supermoto- plus they pull your arms out of your sockets which gets old fast

    the RC8's are track-bikes with a huge amount of power when spun up- I used to roadrace and I can see why they do well when they have a good rider & team backing it up. Very dedicated riding position.

    the 690 Enduro has crap steering lock- worse than many sportbikes. The power is unreal & with some crash protection you could actually use the bike offroad. Super-hot muffler
    the 690 Super Duke was built for sidewalk style- the ergonomics suck and keep you from riding the bike as hard as that engine wants, and the wheel sizes & geometry are off- not one customer has ever come close to the edge of their tires, and I can't do much better on test rides. Oh and they shake like hell...
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  6. MookieBlaylock

    MookieBlaylock Long timer

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    apparently there is a dirt mode that leaves it at 100 hp. As far as on road it definitely could use more for horsepower junkies and people loaded down or 2 up touring. If they retuned the power delivery for nice midrange that should do the trick, if not it will suck balls like the 2012 and prior multistrada with nothing but snatchiness until 5k then slingshot. If they just get the fueling down that alone would be a major improvement
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  7. dondesmo

    dondesmo Senior Squid

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    I will keep my '11 990 Adventure Dakar. The last thing I want is more weight off the pavement.
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  8. dunerat

    dunerat WTF?

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    1190 non R ....yup
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  9. Yascher

    Yascher Been here awhile

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    Keeping my do it all 990, but buying a strada for the city, as 990 just to bold for the streets bith knobbies and 2-1 free flow exhaust, safary tanks and so on)))):lol3
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  10. modeselector

    modeselector Common as muck

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    Same
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  11. xrvicker

    xrvicker n00b

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    As an old user of a very loved Africa Twin , I think the KTM 1190 Adv.R is the perfect alternative to substitute my venerable Queen:clap. However I have to accept that I have some doubts about if it would be as reliable as my Honda which picked up me many times from Barcelona in tho the hearth of Mauritania Mali and Guinea Conackry without any kind of problems. I hope this new KTM will be srtong enough to do the same ... although probably my body is not now in the same conditios:cry as it was. Maybe electronics will help me:wink: .... or not:huh...but we have to play to overcome this boring life:freaky
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  12. paulmlewis

    paulmlewis Adventurer

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    I waited years to buy my first 990. Early ones were just too high for me. After the 2010 was stolen, I got a 2011 with the R map. The bike is a joy. But when I study it carefully it always looks like it sits too low for perfect geometry. The 990R, with taller suspension seems perfectly poised (though too tall for me). But the new bikes, the 1190's, seem better proportioned for shorter riders. I think KTM squashed my 990 a few inches, so it would appeal to more riders... but it makes it look a bit odd sometimes.

    The logical outcome of this sort of thinking is the new 1190. I know it is not just about overall proportions - there's more power, longer range, complex electronics and easier maintenance on the new bike. But in the end, the market demands... and companies need to listen to survive. KTM have always had the kudos... the new bike will harness this with extra creature comforts and, I suggest, will catapult them into mainstream success. Something that might irritate some of the individualists in OC (possibly me included).

    There is a lot to like on the new bikes except... the bloody ordinary looking tank, the silly low exhaust pipe and the subtle blandness that has descended, like a shroud, over the whole design. And yet, I keep going online and checking it out. I will be having a test ride asap!

    But I simply haven't had enough time with my 990 to want to move on to its new sibling. So much of Europe still to explore and so much potential still untapped by me in the 990. It will be interesting to see how current 950/990 owners will feel when riders pass them on the new bikes on tarmac. Pride? - I think not? Envy? - maybe more than they'd like to admit. Desire? We'll have to wait and see. In the meantime I'm planning my first trip to the Stella rally this summer. If anyone wants to ride along from the UK let me know.
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  13. choccoloco

    choccoloco Cabin Fever....

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    I'm keen for the 1190 to get out on the market & more 9x0 owners to start selling and maybe at a reduced price.

    Had to sell my 990 last year & will get another when one tickles my fancy.
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  14. paulmlewis

    paulmlewis Adventurer

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    Yes I am sure there will be some good bargains around :D
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  15. Bootsy

    Bootsy Been here awhile

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    I'll keep my 990 advR untill a new 800 cc twin will arrive.
    but without selling ....the 950 SE:evil
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  16. 68deluxe

    68deluxe Long timer

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    Too much weight and HP for off road IMHO.
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  17. igorpetrovich

    igorpetrovich Been here awhile

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    I spoke with my local dealer today, the told me ktm is going to make a new smaler adv bike, 900 cc max, ligher ( and ceaper ) then the 1190. it's going to be ready in 2 years and the price should be around 10.0000€.
    It'll be based on a new engine, I guess the intention is to compete with the f 800 gs ...
    (I was there to see my new 1190 R)
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  18. ridewestKTM

    ridewestKTM Long timer

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    Lots of people say that they want 800 ish because it's lighter. And I'd agree that giving up 10% power to drop 100lbs would be a good trade. But it seems that it's never easy to give up weight, other wise a 650 would weigh 300lbs. So do we get a light bike because it's 800cc? One of the posts says the 1190 will be 500lbs full of fuel. So that's nearly the same as the 990. I love my 950 so then the 1190 not so bad. But the cost? So can I have a new 950/990? No Ok now where are we? A 900 that's even just a little lighter and a little cheaper and if only 0 to 10% down on power. Yes that's an answer.
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  19. igorpetrovich

    igorpetrovich Been here awhile

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    The immpession I got is that the new 800/900 adv is met to be ceaper then the 1190, this would mean tha the components won't be as good as on the 1190.
    by the way, saturday I played around with the new R, sitting and moving it around and it feels lighte then the 990. it was standing next to a 990 adv dakar anf it looked smaller and thiner, especially the rear....
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  20. Bootsy

    Bootsy Been here awhile

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    Igor...I assume you tried it ON road....
    may be I'm wrong
    :rofl:rofl
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