Will you buy the new 1190?

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by sakurama, Oct 4, 2012.

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Will you buy the new KTM 1190?

  1. 1190R - Hell yeah, and I'm going to make it bigger, better and badder!

  2. 1190 - Yup, been waiting for this one. 150hp and 17/19s will KILL!

  3. Multistrada - I've gone/going for better street performance/electronics

  4. BMW GS - I like big heavy bikes - Go Charlie! Go Ewan!

  5. NO! I'm keeping my 950/990 forever (along with my typewriter, corded phone, film camera...)

  6. Really? We need a poll about this?

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  1. Capt.saveaho

    Capt.saveaho Been here awhile

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    I'll take a 2010 and up 990 with 2009 and older S suspension with an RC8 engine and EFI. Thanks.

    Personally I'd buy the 950 they were using for Dakar, didn't it have like a foot of travel? I'd probably kill myself on one but hey I'd be doing what I love!!!!!!
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  2. Altego

    Altego Been here awhile

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    The 990 is almost too much for the type of riding I do so I know that the 1190 will be too much. Too much weight, girth, and even power...like many have mentioned I will keep what I have until they release an 800. I looked at BMW 1200GS once and I can't imagine getting it off the road. It would take a crew to pick it up if it fell over.
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  3. Katoom72

    Katoom72 Been here awhile

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    Seen it in real life yesterday and my answer is: no

    Maybe the R version, still have to see that one.
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  4. cmacfar

    cmacfar Adventurer

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    I'm going to buy one once some start hitting the used market in the US which I would expect would be fall of 2014 at the latest. I've already put the wheels in motion as I recently sold my FJR and purchased a much cheaper bike to bide the time and save up some money over the next year or two. .
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  5. Velociraptor

    Velociraptor TrackBum

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    Never say never but right now no plans to buy an 1190. Every time I see the words "Orange Crush" I think about a big adventure bike falling on my leg out on a trail somewhere:eek1 For now I am very happy with my 690r for off road and my 990 Supermoto for on road hooligan fun. That doesn't stop me from reading about the new 1190 and the new GS though!
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  6. PBR Street Gang

    PBR Street Gang Young Jedi

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    My opinion is that when it comes to ADV bikes bigger does not equal better. Personally I wouldn't buy a 1190, at least not as a "do it all" bike. I might consider owning one if I was planning to ride mostly paved along with some gravel or easy trails here and there. This thread was the first I've heard of a rumored 800-ish cc adv bike from KTM. I've always liked the idea of ADV bikes around that size and consider that to be about the right size for a bike capable of doing everything relatively well. If they do in fact plan on making one I would be excited to see what they come up with. Not that I would buy one right away though.... For now I'm sticking with my 950 SE.
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  7. Blue&Yellow

    Blue&Yellow but orange inside...

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    No way - they've gone the completely wrong way for me.

    The new bike is bigger, heavier, more powerful, more expensive and more plasticky.

    I wanted smaller, lighter, nimbler, less plasticky and couldn't care less if it was less powerful to be honest.

    The reason I bought a 990 Adv in the first place was because I wanted a good off-road chassi and something more powerful than a thumper.

    The might be able to lure over a few 1200 GS owners with this and I suspect that was the goal. But I'm still waiting for my ultimate all-round lightweight 600-800cc twin adventure bike.

    700cc V-twin, 60-70bhp, 170 kg fully fueled, real off-road chassi - that would be the bomb.
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  8. alphajory

    alphajory Been here awhile

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    As it gets closer for me to replace the 990 i have started to think what would i replace it with. over the past couple of years there have been several new manufactures entering into the adventure market and a few new choices.

    Important to me, not in any specific order, weight, range, fuel, serviceability, the ability to go off road. The new model falls short in a couple of the areas, as well now i would get to pay more for insurance due to the larger displacement. But it might be happier parked next to the beemer at starbucks on the weekend coffee run.

    So what other options are there, triumph, moto guzzi, ducati, yamaha, or the BMW all made primarily for the road based adventure touring.
    so for now i will keep the 990 do the maintenance and continue to enjoy the ride until something better comes around.
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  9. Orangecicle

    Orangecicle On a "Quest"

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    +1. The 1190 is just too much for my needs. I'd much prefer something in the 750-800cc range with styling cues from Dakar bikes. After getting the 1190 on the street, I'm hoping that KTM goes back and develops a bike that competes directly with the 800cc market. The most appealing bike to me anywhere right now is the KTM 690 with the Defy Quest modifications:

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  10. HooliKen

    HooliKen Awesome is a flavor

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    The SE will be staying for the forseealbe future. Have never not enjoyed riding it.

    Big O needs to take two of there new 350's, slap em together and BAM.....700 Super Enduro that shares many, many more parts with the dirt side, to keep maintenance and repair costs within acceptable levels.

    The Uly is a cheap, reliable, efficient, torquey street/commuter that also affords some fun in the twisties.
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  11. DesertSurfer

    DesertSurfer Tail sprayin

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    I got to speaking with a KTM 990 tech at the Bend, Ore. KTM Rally last Sept. about wishing I could swap my 950 S for the 950 RR. He pointed out that the 950RR was much heavier and bulkier... as he was able to ride one around ( Paul Krause's Dakar 950). He said it's not a fun bike for stop and go situations with all that extra mass. When I asked "what mass, I thought the 950 RR was lighter, more nimble"? I was politely informed that the nav tower required bigger support bracketry and with the nav gear added alot of up front weight. Also the rear subframe was much beefier, and with the rear aux. tank assembly you really felt the added weight... and that was before being fully fueled. The KTM tech said he'd much rather have the standard R with a few simple mods.

    That saved me many sleepless nights of wishful thinking from here on.

    But who doesn't LOVE the looks of those bikes... IMHO.

    And the 1190 seems like quite a departure from that Rally style too.
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  12. Pete640

    Pete640 I hate sand.......

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    Now that is a story!!!!
    Have a look at any of the pictures of the 950RR to see for yourself if it is heavier than the 950/990 advnetures;
    The rear subrframe has less reinforcement than the production parts as they dont have to carry pillions/luggage, only fuel,
    Nav towers (and Im basing this on my 690 rr part) weighs next to nothing, fairings and screen are composite,
    No battery or cast iron oil tank weight impacting on the forks,
    Lighter frame (pics show less reinforcing lattice).

    Obviously I havent ridden the original but having read (at length) of the developement of the bike by Meoni I'll bet it would kick the ass of ANY production offering in both weight, handling and performance.

    I cant believe you believed it!!!!!:eek1
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  13. DesertSurfer

    DesertSurfer Tail sprayin

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    My first thoughts too. But after hearing in great detail from the KTM 990 tech it made complete sense. And since he was able to ride Krause's bike for a summer... he had first had knowledge.

    He said the nav bracketry was VERY heavy compared to a stock 9xx. Remember you're not just talking the front subframe... so to speak, but the brackets for Iritrack, road book and a third devise. Plus ballasts, wire looms, cables and fuses under there.

    Not only did the tech say the rear subframe was beefed up, but it actually does look that way in photos too. The side supports look thicker and there is a large center brace that looks to protect the battery and and strength. That's in plain sight in the photos to document the KTM tech's insight.

    I'm not sure what material they made the aux. tanks out of, but the KTM tech said there was also some frame supports, fuel pumps, tubing and hardware. I would have had no reason to try to argue with that one either. And he said the rear tanks we're noticeably there when walking the bike around. I took that as he meant "could be cumbersome". Again, who was I to argue. Lastly, I think he said Krause's 950RR was 50- 75 lbs. heavier the a stock 990. I got that straight from the KTM Tech at their US headquarter while at the KTM Rally last year who works on the 990's. Since he actually rode Krause's 950RR, I found his insight very interesting . He also said the bikes had taller suspension which widened turning. That's a feature I already dislike on all 9xx's, wide turning.

    What he was referring to was for my riding up to the Bend Rally and any other casual riding, a closer to standard 990R would be way more comfortable and enjoyable.

    But, hey feel free to go to any KTM tech who's ridden the 950RR and ask him about his comparisons and we'll compare notes.


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