winch advice?

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  1. JerryAtrick

    JerryAtrick Adventurer

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    New to sidecars...my dual sporting is growing more adventuresome and I'm worried about getting stuck or having to turn around in difficult places. I have zero experience with winches and other recovery tools. A quick survey reveals lots of educational resources re 4WD recovery and I assume most info crosses over. But I wonder if anyone can point me toward sidecar-specific recommendations. For example, the Warn XT17 portable winch for adventure bikes looks perfect (1700 pound capacity and weighs nine pounds) but it doesn't have "power-out," which seems like a really good (and perhaps essential) feature.

    Any winch or other recovery advice is welcome!
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  3. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad World's Foremost Authority

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    I have the Warn XT-17 winch which we carried along on the CDR & HOW routes that we did solo in our sidecar. I really like the strap mounting system rather than using a trailer receiver most guys seem to use. The strap allows you to pull from your anchor at obtuse angles from the rig. If you get out and about in areas with few large rocks or trees (common out here in the west) having a shovel and knowledge as to how to build a deadman anchor is important (I personally would use a pannier for my deadman anchor system). A very important accessory to your winch is a snatch block which allows for doubling your pulling power.

    All of that being said, knowing when you are about to get in over your head and turning around BEFORE you need to winch your way out goes a really long way!
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  4. braindead0

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    I'd bring along a come-along/pow-r-pull for really stuck and a z-rig for lighter duty work. Have a tree saver strap handy as well, for both. If you have room a shovel and camp saw can come in very handy for recovery/trail repair.
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  5. RetiredandRiding

    RetiredandRiding Retired to Ride

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    I was set to pull the trigger on a Warn and now you have me doing more research. Well done!
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  6. RetiredandRiding

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    At ~64, I'm done with the exertion a come-along requires, even aided by physics. I want a motor.

    The Warn 92000 is about $85 with 2000 lbs capacity--fixed to the rig with a 19.4 lb shipping weight.

    The Warn XT-17 is about $420 with a few extras and 1700 lb capacity and portable, 13+ lbs shipping weight including extras, so say 9 lbs for the winch.

    Is the XT-17 worth the $200+ extra cost (figuring in the extras added to the 92000)? I'm new to this train of thought and would appreciate some guidance and if someone could please point out what it is I may be missing.

    Thanks!
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  7. FR700

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    Warn is a cool winch, but, there are cheaper options. I've used both. If selecting a cheaper option remember to check what gear ratio it uses.


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  8. TurTal

    TurTal Been here awhile

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    With coupon picked one of these up last year for $59.00

    After beating the shit out of it I was so impressed I bought a dozen of them for Christmas presents

    Everybody seems to like theirs

    Not bad for the money even if you burned it up in a year or two

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  10. RetiredandRiding

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    What's a good gear ratio?
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  11. TurTal

    TurTal Been here awhile

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    153:1 single stage planetary is fairly common

    That comes out to about 2.5' to 3' per minute line speed

    That should do anything you need as far as straight pulling a load

    You wouldn't want to necessarily dead lift with it....unless you absolutely had to I guess

    I'm sure there's a country boy or two out there that have used it for an engine hoist....lol



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  12. DRONE

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    Note Strong Bad's advice above--get a snatch block. [LINK]
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    Which means you'll need a D-ring. [LINK]
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    And a tree saver. [LINK]
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    Here in the Northwest, wire cable turns rusty pretty quick. If you don't mind rust, no problem. If you DO mind rust, get some synthetic winch rope. [LINK]
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  13. FR700

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    198:1 or better. Just like hookers, you get what you pay for.

    Have a look to see what happens to the line pull rating once the layers start feeding back onto the drum. Also, note the current draw.


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  14. ThePod

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    I'm with Turtal on this one. I have the HF 2500 lb winch mounted to my ATV. I use it to drag trees down after I've cut them off at the base. They get caught in the other trees around them. This little winch is a workhorse and has never let me down. The only downside is that it can only be operated from the wireless remote which is no big deal (unless you lose it!).
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  15. TurTal

    TurTal Been here awhile

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    Nobody suggested you buy a cheap winch R&R



    The badlands 2500 is a tough little winch for the money...I purposely tried to burn one up and that little puppy survived somehow

    Yes its slow and draws some high amps...they all do

    Unless you're the hardcore off road type the winch wont see much action

    It ends up being mostly eye candy

    But if you really think you need one and want to spend a little more coin the Smittybuilt XRC 4.0 is a solid winch for under $200

    Quick line speed...good amp draw...198:1
    3 stage gearing.....bla bla bla

    If you can afford it go buy an expensive winch and make sure its mounted properly

    Its like 2wd...when you need it and the shit aint to deep and you've got knobbies and you can actually get out then you're glad you had it

    The question really is how often does that happen

    If you're where the roads are shit and it rains all the time a $200 winch is cheap insurance and may lower your stress level a little not having to worry about it

    Hell any winch is good to have if you get stuck....even a $60 one from Harbor Freight

    If you dont want to take a chance on smokin the battery trying to escape with a DC motor than carry a manual winch around with ya



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  16. RetiredandRiding

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    The first 3 are already on my list. And since the weather here in Dalat is very similar to the Pacific Northwest (one of the reasons I’m here), the synthetic line sounds like a good idea too.
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  17. jaydmc

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    The Bad lands which's seem to work well, we often use the 3500LB winch, On my own bikes I prefer a WARN 3500 LBS winch with the synthetic cables. I like the synthetic cable a lot more the steel. I go with the 3500LBS winches rather then a smaller winch as winches are rated for how much of a rolling load they can handle at the first turn of the cable on the spool. The more wraps around the drum the less they will pull.
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  18. Strong Bad

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    The size and weight of the Warn along with it already having the synthetic line and knowing the quality of their product is what sold me. Sorry, but I only buy stuff from HF if it doesn't have any moving parts. Because a whole winch set up can be quite heavy, I shopped around for an aluminum snatch block and instead of using a D-ring, I use a locking carabiner and a ratchet strap used for lashing/tying gear works for the tree saver.
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  19. usgser

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    The Badlands are good winches. Be critical of the mounting. Some Ural dealers sell a goofy mount the bolts to the tub bumper. Bad idea. The front two bumper bolts are bolted to the tub sheet metal. You want the mount to bolt to the frame between the bike and tub. Don't know what kind of outfit you have but for a Ural, Kalaber(sp?)Creations make a decent frame mount that accepts a Badland. You want the winch forward enough so the cable isn't sawing into the tub nose. When stuck you rarely have a straight-on pull. I also wouldn't be overly concerned with line pull speed. Once you're stuck it's a bit late to get in a hurry. Most times all you need to do is move the rig a couple/ few feet to get unstuck. Love to have a winch someday maybe but don't like the idea of everything being based on a small mc battery. For my needs it's too much grief and expense to do it right.
    The Massdam rope puller works excellent for me. Lota cranks but they are easy cranks and I'm old. I run two 50ft lines(adjustable) so the puller isn't attached directly at the bike for more working room.
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    [QUOTE Sorry, but I only buy stuff from HF if it doesn't have any moving parts.[/QUOTE]



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