Windows Surface tablet

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  1. jazzmans

    jazzmans fickt euch

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    Yeah, it is.

    I had a first gen netbook, and it was decent, but android tablets kill it.

    Having had a transformer 300 for about a year now, there's no way i could handle the constant search for a power source to keep the battery charged on a 'traditional' laptop any more. Hell, I only worry about plugging mine in every couple of days.

    from what I've read/researched, there's just no way any implementation of x86 will ever be able to touch arm for power consumption. Don't know much about the next gen i5 chip although everything I've read shows orders of magnitude differences.

    I can't talk about windows RT, haven't touched one. I'd use android or linux, in any case. debian has been ported to ARM.

    jaz
  2. PoundSand

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    :confused there are atom based windows 8 tablets that are already competitive with the tegra 3 based surface rt overall, and are also competitive at the cpu level when you isolate it, except at idle. and intel is supposed to be improving idle performance (on both core and atom chips, iirc) later this year.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/atom-z2760-power-consumption-arm,3387.html
  3. jazzmans

    jazzmans fickt euch

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    That was an interesting article no doubt.

    caveat, toms has been pro-intel for decades, even when AMD was killing intel.


    That being said, the new atom did significantly better then I expected, except, as you said, idle draw.

    things should get very interesting in the next few years, if this is indeed factual information, not advertising hiding in the guise of reporting.
  4. ~DC~

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  5. WeazyBuddha

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    Bumparoonee :D

    What's the latest on the surface tablets?

    Is that the way to go vs. the ipad or an android?

    Seems like a tablet would be really handy.

    I can get one with work money but I'd restrict it's use to work. I could buy it with my own money but the Surface Pros are pricey. I'm a bit reluctant to sink that kind of money into something which may not be that useful to me personally.

    Will MS be overhauling the things or releasing new models?

    I've also heard that the keyboard on the Ipad is better than the one on the surface.
  6. PoundSand

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    nothing- they haven't changed at at all. wait for an update, which should hopefully bring the haswell chips (mo' battery life).

    depends what you want to do.
  7. WeazyBuddha

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    Primary use would be while at work, at meetings when I need to pull up something from our servers, email away from the office, updating my onenotes, etc.

    Some of this I can do on my Galaxy s3, except for pulling stuff up that is on our servers at work.

    I am also intrigued by whether it would be useful personally, taking it on trips either on the motorcycle or the cage.
  8. ~DC~

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    Rumor mill has been churning, I suspect we'll have a lot of next-gen details before the end of the year.



  9. Icewalker

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    I'd agree ... but let's not forget where Acorn is today ...................
  10. Brad Felmey

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    One of our early adopters here at work ordered one the moment they came out (Surface Pro 128GB). When it came in it was the first time I'd ever seen a tablet that I considered anything but a large screen for Angry Birds (that is not a compliment).

    I ordered one and haven't looked back. It's been excellent. I'm running triple wide-screen monitors, VOIP, Bluetooth audio, 64GB Class 10 SD, blah, blah, blah.

    Observations:
    • Battery life isn't excellent but isn't terrible, either. I get 5+ hours of business use.
    • The screen is excellent and has high resolution (1920x1080). This means tiny fonts for apps that don't have a tablet-friendly interface (like Outlook).
    • The Microsoft extended protection plan adds accidental damage coverage (which is cool, since the assembly of this thing is just stupidly non-serviceable).
  11. DirtDabber

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    I bought the Pro with 128gb.

    Absolutely love it.
  12. jazzmans

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    That's the kind of battery life I require on a portable device now.
    I should have taken another picture this before I put it on the charger, ten hours of idle and it only used an additional 3% of battery.

    cyanogenmod 10.1, jellybean 4.2, 3.1 kernel.
  13. Dogscout

    Dogscout Been there done that

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    Wifey just bought a Lenovo ThinkPad 2 and we are getting used to it and personalizing it a bit. I have an iPad III and I am liking the TP2, mostly because I like the windows tiled interface better than the iPad/android icons. We have gotten most of the apps that she needs and it appears that it will replace her Dell Laptop when we travel. She has a couple of web intensive processes that she need for work and the BT keyboard and browser seem to have what will work. She is attached to that dell like its part of her, so I am hoping that the TP2 will do the job and not be a problem to travel with. Trying to keep the Dell charged and connected has been a bitch in remote areas.

    Of course the lack of apps is obvious, but when you don't need many, it is not an issue. We have been windows phone users since WP6 and have never really felt like we were missing out on apps.

    Overall after 3 days of ownership I give the Lenovo ThinkPad 2 a 4* out of 5.
  14. jazzmans

    jazzmans fickt euch

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    Windows 8 is devil spawn.


    No direct access to BIOS,
    damn near impossible to do anything, no ability to 'window' windows, Wasn't that the fucking point of windows, to be able to run 1 (or more) different applications simultaniously? fuck me running. Good friends of mine need help setting up a laptop to take audio dictation, fucking nightmare!


    Anyone with suggestions, I have installed dragon, but have very little luck getting it to actually work and recognize voice commands, or voice dictation. Mine aren't bad, but his, with his wavery voice is fuck-all difficult.


    fuck windows.
  15. dentvet

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    My laptop graphics card/motherboard has failed again and I would love to just use the hard drive as a slave or bootable device off my surface pro.

    I have the drive in a usb enclosure and the SP recognizes it but how do I get it to boot frm that or use programs on that drive?

    The laptop drive is windows7 and I wouldn't mind using that if possible....
  16. seuadr

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    i may be getting one of these where i work - my choices are using a 3rd party program on an ipad to VPN in and to data process in the field or this. It might not be my first choice, but i what limited experience i've had with data processing in common office formats on an ipad puts this solidly at the top of the list for me. we can't use android devices because they don't support specific security protocols that we have in place for the VPN. :huh
  17. WeazyBuddha

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    Waiting on our fiscal year to begin on 9/1 to tap the new budget for these for myself and a couple of others on my team.

    I can see how something like this would be really useful. I am the budget guy but I cannot keep every possible number in my head, I hate having to tell the president, in a meeting, that I have to get back to him when I could have looked something up right then and there.

    Looks like U.S. productivity will continue to rise into the foreseeable future.
  18. WeazyBuddha

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    Hmmm...I'm now having second thoughts. What I hear and have seen the devices seem good and seem to do what I want from them but not sure MS is committed...

    Ballmer forced out after $900M Surface RT debacle


    "What could have precipitated the quick move?" Moorhead asked, then answered his own question. "It was the $900 million write-down. That caught the attention of the board, and based on Ballmer's over-enthusiastic public commentary on Windows RT and Surface RT, they lost a lot of credibility. So did Ballmer. How can you be that far off what consumers want? Was it that you're not listening to your team? Was it because the team was afraid to give him advice? Was it because the team saw a different reality? Or was it that the team lacked the skill set to anticipate the failure?"
  19. NikonsAndVStroms

    NikonsAndVStroms Beastly Photographer

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    I wouldn't be so concerned....well about Windows RT yeah, they might stick not with ARM. But for Microsoft and tablets as a whole will go on for sure, the next generation of Intel x86 chips will be able to get power usage close to that of ARM. The result will be what a Windows tablet should have been, full windows like the surface pro in a tablet form factor. Though due to the nature of it I see their position being more of a player in the market like Google in Android than Apple's well monopoly of their iOS.

    If Adobe opens up their license from 2 to 3 devices for creative cloud I'd love to have a 8-9" 1080P+ tablet to be able to do my work on the go and I'm sure that would be a huge market for other photographers/designers.
  20. ~DC~

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    I'm no fan of Ballmer, but this article is pure speculation, some analysts is telling the story, nothing official from MS other than Ballmer retiring within a year. The assumption may or may not be true.