Winter Camping with a Stove - An Experiment That Worked!

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  1. hppyfngy

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    You probably know this by now, but from the website:

    "Seam sealer is included, and sealing is done by the customer in order to save costs and expedite your shelter.
    1. Pitch your shelter tight to allow sealer to penetrate and waterproof the stretched seams, stitch holes and thread.
    2. Fabric should be clean and dry (this sealer claims to cure in wet or damp conditions). Use a paper cup, mix sealant and mineral spirit (paint thinner) until you have a slurry about the thickness of molasses. Using a 1/2" inch paint brush, apply to all sewn areas, seams, bartacks and holes.
    3. Curing: leave the tent pitched until the sealant is not tacky, the longer the better. Fully cures in 24 hours but dries tack free in about 30 minutes to 1 hour."

    I usually use a foam brush for this, but any brush will do.

    There's really nothing much to it. Pretty easy to pitch.

    There are several youtube vids

    From Kifaru:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzwBXKABb0g

    others too...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9PzNXlcb90

    Instructions are handily included printed in the stuff sack.

    Did you get the liner or netting or anything? I didn't. Sometimes I wish I had the liner but it's not usually an issue.
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  2. GaM

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    A UCO three candle lantern can make a significant difference in a tent. I've been working on my justification for a tee pee/tent stove for several days now. I'll get there though.:D
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  3. Ceri JC

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    Hppyfngy: Thanks, came across text of that today, but the videos were news to me. I got the liner; I am on the UK and mostly camp here and Northern Europe, so its usually damp.

    Customs charging and shipping meant I wanted to avoid buying accessories down the line. Hence getting them now.

    GaM. Funnily enough, I just made two hobo candles in of sweet tins. I had a load of partially burnt candles and corrugated card to dispose of, so they cost me nothing more than my time. Experiments in my garage suggested they will each burn for about 8 hours and throw out enough heat to easily warm my 3 man tent. I also successfully boiled water on it, so they can be used as backup cooking stoves too.

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    Good plan. You'll be glad you got the liner. When it's damp, you can get a terrarium going in there and brushing the tent sides can cause an unwelcome shower.
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    I am a liner fan and have them in both of my shelters.

    I got a couple of these...

    http://www.cabelas.com/product/Camp...nknown;cat104795280;cat104779080;cat104627880

    They make great steak pullers and of course work well for hanging my candle lantern.

    I picked up a folding lantern from Garrett Wade http://www.garrettwade.com/portable-brass-candle-lantern/p/83R02.01/ I really like it but it puts out less heat than an ECO.

    In my 6 man I use an old arrow. I cut off the point and use the notched end on a tage piece of chord to help close the door. It works great.

    Don't forget to seam seal the cone.
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    Nice idea; I reckon I could make something to do that out of some of the thick wire (it's like bent coat hanger) I always carry under the seat of my bike for repairs in hot areas where paracord would burn.

    I just ordered an LED "donut" lamp like the guy has in this video (sorry embed not working today for me, for some reason):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9PzNXlcb90

    I am hoping that will work well as light for the tent rather than just using my headtorch/phone. If not, I recently saw a very natty headtorch design where it's a shameless Petzl clone torch, that comes with a white waterproof stuff sack. Idea is, you use the stuff sack when travelling, then once your tent is set up, you put the headtorch inside and the white bag acts as a 'diffuser' that throws the rather focussed bright light of the torch into a softer glow that goes in all directions.

    RE: The traditional lantern, how do you find transporting those works, aren't they a little fragile?

    Thanks for the tip on paying attention to the cone with sealing, BTW.
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    The hanger from Cabellas is stout, bent wire is not comparable and likely will not hold your wet jacket up like the hanger will. Mune packs with the stove and takes up very litt;e room.

    I have broken a couple of the ECO candle lantern globes, but they are easily replaced. My Garrett Wade folding lantern lasted the whole 2 month trip without issue. I really like it but as I said it puts out less heat than the ECO for just taking the chill off. The stove will run you out if it isn't cold and miserable out.
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    How's the light from the Garrett Wade folder? I like the look of that a lot.
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    The light is great and it is very sheltered from the breezes, in fact it is hard to blow it out. I like it a lot.
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    Thanks. Just ordered a pair. It's not the first time you've cost me money amigo...
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    Money well spent, I wish I had bought a pair. They have mica lenses... like, a transparent sheet of rock... very cool. you are going to love them.
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    Hey Mr Fisherman, what is the liner like? My ex uses the 8 man mostly and hasn't said she needs a liner but I thought about making her one.

    I know it's light colored and I'm guessing breathable like ripstop. Is it dwr? Have any idea?
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    It seems to be the same material. I wouldn't be without one. It really adds to the comfort imho.
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    I see only one thing wrong with this, the chimney is too close to the stripper pole that supports the teepee :evil
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    So, my tipi got its first proper test this past weekend at The Dragon Rally. Lots of people were interested in the tent/stove; it seems this style of tent is still very uncommon in the UK.

    I'm getting better at pitching it each time; it's really quick now; tent takes just over 5 minutes to erect (stove and pipe still about 10 minutes more). Due to lack of space at home and poor weather here, I had to use mine without seam sealing it. With the liners in, it was fine. I will still do it as soon as we've got 2 days of good weather here.

    The lack of groundsheet was fine, but one problem that revealed itself was that as the ground was already waterlogged when we arrived (it was at a Rally, so no choice of going elsewhere to camp) stuff got muddy. I am sure that 95%+ of the time, if it is dry when you set up, it will stay that way inside, even if it then rains very heavily. Getting muddy wasn't a real issue whilst there, but it did make cleaning/drying my kit afterwards, once back home, a much less pleasant and more time-consuming job.

    I think for next time I will make a half-moon shaped groundsheet and have a 'sleeping area' that is dry. I am also going to experiment next with just taking one liner and putting it so the middle is covering the 'back' door (the one furthest from the stove hole), so I have a wet 'entrance' and cooking area, so I can make a mess of the floor/walk in with my boots on there, but then disrobe and get in the dry part.

    Very happy with it overall. The bundled pegs turned out to be a lot better than they look like they would perform, too: I'm considering leaving the Groundhogs at home next time and just taking 16 of the OE pegs.
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    These things aren't that common here either. Get lots of looks and comments.

    I've been pretty luck to not have had to set up on extremely soggy ground. I've had wet ground that dried out pretty well when I got the fire going. I do carry a ground cloth big enough to cover one side.

    Love to see pictures if you have any!
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    Which one did you get?

    A ground cloth for the sleeping area makes all the difference. I use the stove bag to stack stove wood on when the ground is wet.
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    These stoves require near constant feeding and get hot, but nothing like a cast stove which get hot and stay hot. And they're not at all airtight, so you can't leave them unattended for long.

    You can get a little cast stove for cheap. I don't think the one I'm using would do much for even a moderate sized space, unless it were pretty airtight.
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