Winter project. My $300 Burgman 650.

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  1. Scooterdoodler

    Scooterdoodler Long timer

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    What a mess!

    A few days ago, I bought this 2003 Burgman 650 from an aquaintance. It was last ridden one time in 2015, but hasn't been road-licensed since 2012.

    I'll bring it home by next weekend, clean it up, get a battery in it, and see if it will run. If it runs, I'll spend some money on it and get it back on the road. If it cannot be made roadworthy with a reasonable amount invested, it will be parted out and sent to ebay in various chunks.

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  2. eakins

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    Looks like someone took off panels to do work then walked away from the job and so it sat. Atleast it sat under cover vs in the sun outside. I'm sure it will clean up nice.

    Bad gas is going to be your biggest problem. You'll need to get the tank out and drain then clean it and flush the lines too.

    Then oil and other fluids can be flushed.

    Did you get any clues why it was parked?
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  3. Dabears

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    Cool project- must be a backstory..?
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  4. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    E85 fuel is a good solvent to get stinky, varnish stuff out of a gas tank and carburetor.

    It would be helpful if you knew what happened.
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  5. Scooterdoodler

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    The man I bought it from got it thrown in for free on a pickup deal he made several years ago. It had been cosmetically damaged on both sides in a previous crash, but ran. He rode it once, saying he took it up to 90 mph. He was planning to fix it up for his wife so she could ride it. He scrounged used replacement body parts for it on eBay. Before he could put it together, she died, and the Burgman has sat ever since.

    I was talking to him and another aquaintance about a week ago at the Sturgis Suzuki/BMW dealership, and as I was walking by a new, 2017, 650 Burgman on the sales floor, I mentioned that I wouldn't mind getting another one, and he said that he had one, and that he'd take $300 for it.

    He said was a 2006, and it had an adjustable windshield. When I asked if it had electrically folding mirrors, indicating that it was an Executive model, he said yes.

    He also said that it had 10,000 or less miles on it, but now he's not positive about that, and it has a salvage title that declares the actual mileage is unknown.

    It turns out it is a 2003 (first year U.S.) standard, of course, the Executive model some years down the road from then.

    I really liked the manual 'overdrive' option on our previous 2006 and 2007 650's. Oh well

    So, I was a little disappointed, but hell, $300? Best to not get too picky.
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  6. Clampett

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    A bit sad seeing one abandoned liked that. 4 years ago I talked my brother out of a SWing he had let sit like this in his barn for 3 years. TLC on the windscreen, polished up the tupperware, new tires, changed the fluids and she was good as the day he parked her.

    Looking forward to see what you do with her. Thing about restoring scoots is that you'll love 'em more than a new one.
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  7. eakins

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    So it so it sounds like it ran and was parked so clean out the fuel and fluids. Also sounds like those panels are good ones to be put on.

    Take it all apart, clean it well, get it running, and put the good panels on. $300 is a deal if so.
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  8. blacktruck

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    Makes you wonder what the back story on why some of the panels were removed (from the crash). What did they do to it? For $300 you couldn't go too far wrong. Make it run and ride it yourself or turn it for a few bucks profit.
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    Didn't the 650 burgers up till 07 have that CVT bolt issue?
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    From what I read the early ones had an issue with it. My first hand experience is only with a 17 model. I would look at the total mileage on it. As I recall it was not a low mileage failure but I could be wrong about that. I read all I could find about them before I pulled the trigger on my purchase. I read about it and from the things I read, it had been rectified years ago but once again I don't recall if it was a hardware change or a process change in the repair of it. Still a worthwhile purchase for that amount.
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  11. Scooterdoodler

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    Neither our 2006 or 2007 had any issues of any kind, we rode them about 16,000 each with total reliability.

    I would really like a 2012 or newer, just for the analog instrument cluster, but I don't really want to spend much on one, and I'm kind of tired of them only being offered in black or white, with ten shades of boring-ass grey in between.
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    Agreed. I sort of made the decision to get one a few years ago and waited until they came out in white again. It has grown on me but the flat colors never did. They looked like they were painted with primer and not finished.
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  13. Scooterdoodler

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    I'm a little out of the loop on 'the big change' year for the 650, and after a bit of research, it looks like I meant a 2013 or newer to get the re-style and major mechanical improvements, not 2012.

    The Sturgis dealer has a new 2017 650 that he can't sell, but it's a severely ugly flat black model. Maybe it will eventually be discounted enough that having it painted a decent color could be an option.
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    Hmm, yes the Tupperware and some engineering changes occurred and appeared in the 2013 model and beyond. If the dealer has a flat back model it isn't a 2017 model. Those were in pearl white only. The 15 and then 16 models were gray or black. Don't recall which was which. Both flat colors so I wasn't interested. I waited to get a shiny one. I did not ever ride an older one but the current models are a hoot and the whole maxi scooter thing makes way more sense to me now. I'm into it.
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    My 2007 Standard was a pearl white. I bought it new, and owned it for about two and a half years. I never did care for the looks of it's LCD cluster, and really like to the newer analog speedo and tach, as well as the somewhat sleeker styling changes and more efficient clutch, etc.

    I would possibly consider buying a new or leftover 650, but the lack of decent color choices available for it sends me off to spend money on other machines.
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    I'm with you, I like the newer gauge set up than the previous models. I understand why they don't offer a plethora of colors for options on the scooters but just my opinion that whomever is in charge of final selection of colors has a few issues. First is no imagination or ambition so they just keep recycling colors and second is that they suck at their job and are afraid to think someone may want an actual color on their scoot. I opted for the white and I like it but it would not have been my first choice if there were any choices.
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  17. MrVvrroomm

    MrVvrroomm Been here awhile

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    You've got yourself a project there. Good luck with it.
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    Suzuki went to a lot of effort to improve the lines and form of the 650 in '13, but they then proceeded to effectively hide that new form with what are flat, 'stealth' and trendy 'badass' finishes that IMO run contrary to the bike's mission and purpose, and also ,unfortunately, serves as customer repellent for a machine that is already a hard sell in the U.S. market.

    I have a theory about the drab finishes inflicted on this model almost since it's introduction, and it is that Suzuki somehow feels that for a machine like the Burgman to be taken seriously, it must have a formal, business-like appearance that visually distances the bike from the casual, frivolous, and often very colorful smaller scooters.

    Mercedes Benz cars are perceived as 'classy'...and are predominantly finished in a metallic grey, so it should work for a giant scooter, right?
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  19. Scooterdoodler

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    Arrangements have been made, U-haul MC trailer reserved, new battery located. 10x10 storage unit for winter rented. I'll be picking up the 650 on Saturday morning, then commence to clean the crud off of it and see what's beneath. There will be pictures.
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    Actually the k6 did have the CVT bolt issue. It seems to crop up 18-25kish as I recall. Mine was around 20k. Not insane to fix. Real easy if you catch it before I did.

    There's a thread on this on the Burgman USA forum http://burgmanusa.com/forums/15-burgman-650/117377-2006-primary-adapter-bolt-issue.html
    I added a pic of the problem bolt to it recently; albeit from my K7 that has not had the issue & is unlikely too. I just got in the habit of checking it after having to redo it on my k6.

    That said, the K3 will not have the issue, but it is vulnerable to the "Primary Spline Failure" issue unless it has, or you install, the "Polish Adapter".
    Primary Spline issue link : http://burgmanusa.com/forums/15-burgman-650/33629-primary-spline-failures.html
    Polish Adapter link : http://burgmanusa.com/forums/45-burgman-650/128177-what-polish-adapter-2002-2004-650-s.html

    I can field questions on the former, Dave on BUSA forum is pretty friendly & will probably answer questions on the later.
    For both issues there are other folks on the BUSA forums who'd probably be happy to help a bit as well.

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