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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by Velocity Sportsgear, Jan 22, 2014.
I was hoping you could name me a heated motorcycle glove that is CE tested.
Actually, I thought that yours was:
"Yes our stuff meets CE specifications."
In the photo which you provided, your gloves appeared similar to my Velocity Gear Formula summer gloves, which do indeed have CE certification, and so I accepted your initial answer as being true based upon looks only. My clarification question was asked because the most recent CE certification is apparently not as stringent as the old, and I was wondering which standard your gloves met. Now I know that the correct answer is neither.
Unfortunately, you may be correct, and there may be no heated gloves that meet the new CE standard, let alone the older more stringent one. Were one available, it would, of course, only demonstrate that one sample pair had met the standard, and that the company had felt that spending the money on the certification process was a worthwhile investment and so could serve to separate the manufacturer from others offering a similar product, but some buyers such as myself still consider this certification to be meaningful.
I was not implying that your gloves were deficient, as they share many features with my CE certified pair. I was only asking for clarification of the standard as mentioned above. Even though your initial response regarding CE certification could be interpreted as untrue and misleading, I did not assume this was the case at all, and I was genuinely thanking you for clarifying the point.
As for this last post of yours, I am not sure what point you are making? My immediate reaction upon reading it was that I had somehow inadvertently struck a nerve.
As a manufacturer you should welcome interest and questions about your product, and if you have chosen not to do the CE certification route, then say so and tell us why. $300 is a big chunk of change, and I expect someone lightening my wallet by this amount to be honest and respectful towards me as a potential customer. My questions were not meant to be "gotcha", but your reaction implies that that is how they were received.
Not at all. I was also merely implying that there are no heated gloves with CE certification in the market. 90% of all heated motorcycle gloves in the market have two flaws. First the technology being one that has been around since 1945. World War 2 bombers used resistive wiring in their gloves and passed an electrical current through it to generate heat. Drawbacks? High power consumption, No uniform heat and most importantly users getting burnt from hotspots (resistive wires do coil up/kink over usage and create a hot spot). The Second Flaw no real motorcycle heated gloves, lots of oven mitt based designs with no protection. We have a Motorcycle glove called the VR-Pro which has been tested by racers in the Canadian Superbike Championship and other race series but we sell a lot of these gloves to street riders who always let me know how awesome the glove is. We basically took that design with the palm sliders, Scaphoid slider, TPU knuckles and finger sliders and used in a Heated glove. The heat is Infra Red so no resistive wiring. We are actually probably the only heated motorcycle glove manufacturers that have CE certified batteries (and the slimmest).
Your normal motorcycle heated glove or just general battery heated glove has 3 layers. The Outer shell, the insulation which has resistive wiring stitched around the edges and the inner liner. So easy and cheap to manufacture and because resistive wiring uses a lot of power the power usually comes from the Bike 12V battery. In some cases those that have portable batteries mis-represent the battery life.
What we do is build a glove that is the ultimate in crash protection and has 7 layers. The outer 1 mm analine grade A Full Grain cowhide leather (treated to be waterproof), a thing insulation layer, A reflective insulation layer, a 70GSM Thinsulate layer, our Infra Red heating pad, a HiPora waterproof layer and then an anti bacterial inner Liner. With all the protection and all the layers it took us 18 months to figure out how to manufacture this glove. I guarantee no one will ever make a heated glove like this. Infra Red hat will never burn the user and battery life will be a lot longer. To make it even better we are developing the option to also have the same glove connect to your bike battery while the batteries are being charged. Hence the statement that this is the best heated glove in the world. Is it CE tested. Nope. But is it the safest heated Motorcycle glove in the world. Yes.
Our company has always prided itself by making products that consumers want and improving them via customer feedback. So my point really was to point out that there are no CE tested gloves in the market. :)
That sounds like an awesome, yet bulky, glove.
A few questions;
-are all of those layers bonded together, or will they pull out? For my needs, there isn't a better design than the Gore Xtrafit where all the layers are bonded together. Putting a wet hand into xtrafit is about as drama free as possible. Most other gloves have a floating liner(s) that bunches up in the fingers and gets stuck on a wet hand.
-Are the seams taped? The first thing I always do with new waterproof gloves is put them on and stick my hands in a bucket for five minutes. Will your gloves survive the test?
-Can you comment on the bulk?
Your gloves look awesome. They're worth $300 to me, especially if you can figure out how to wire them to the bike. Actually, I need them to plug into the coax plug in the sleeves of my heated jacket. Without that, its a deal breaker. I just don't want to deal with yet another thing to charge in my life.
Again, thanks for clarification. Looking at the US version of your website, I don't find any products under the products tab. The other rider's thread that you linked in your first post sounds like the only way to get your gloves is to pick them up personally?
Depending on how the wiring option design works out, and how easy it is to order these, I may want a pair. When will you announce the final wiring design, and how would a person go about getting a pair here in the US?
I have always wondered why the Goretex layer is usually next to the skin leaving the insulation free to sponge up water? This simply sets up an evaporative cooler that the heating element slowly looses ground to.
If your gloves pass the " bucket test" without gaining water weight you have a winner. I have seen waterproof boot tests where the boots are tested for leakproofness and how much weight is retained from absorbed water. Some have abysmal results even though feet stay dry.
The gloves are available at www.firedupx.com .
Here is the problem. If you poke a stitching hole in the waterproof membrane it is not waterproof anymore. The FIR heating pad has to be stitched in place. Now the priority is to keep your hand dry which it accomplishes. Now having said that the outside leather is also waterproof unfortunately t he seams are not so in a drizzle the leather will resist the water, in a downpour maybe not but only a slight amount of water will get in the glove which will be stopped by the waterproof membrane. If you plan on dipping your hand in a bucket than your hands will be dry and the insulation will not but will eventually dry. With our Infra red tech the glove will still glove even if it is wet.
Any update on these gloves? I can't find any reviews anywhere. Any news on the controller to allow them to be powered by the bike while charging the batteries?
Jim's comments above on Gore X-Tra fit are spot on. I've never had a pair of waterproof gloves with floating liners NOT fail to get bunched up/twisted/or otherwise compromised by inserting/removing a damp hand.
I make waterproof seat covers and as such preform validation testing all the time. This means lots of rain riding-on purpose! I find it impossible during a full day, or days, of testing not to have a damp hand at some point. This is when most "waterproof" gloves (and that's a stretch as we all know) fail to satisfy.
The introduction of Gore-Tex X-Tra fit technology has been, by far, the closest thing to perfect I've used. I believe my waterproof glove count is now in excess of twenty different pairs from every manufacture I can find. Finally, unless your hands are above your arms to a certain degree the glove must fit under the sleeve if a rider used a waterproof shell type jacket. If not, water WILL run into your gloves. Although I'm sure someone will say it does not, all my long term/long distance testers report the same issues I've outlined here. I'm confident that over 150,000 miles of testing these boys do for me reflects what happens in the field for the vast majority of riders.
We use battery heated gloves for skiing and snowmobiling and they work well enough. It's not like motorcycling.
A pair of battery heated gloves that would address a few of the questions raised here would be welcomed by many riders I would think.
We have sold over 200 of these gloves in the Toronto Market so far. You can see a review on our website:
We can create a heat controller to power from bike but I guess the reason we have been selling so well is because you don't have to plug into your bike.
In the meantime we have licensed this technology to a major ski/snowboard glove manufacturer as well. We will be Costco with a Heated liner this fall and all our heated products are on Amazon.com except the motorcycle glove. Still looking for dealers but to be quite honest focussing on the other sectors of the market. Company is now called Fired Up X Heated Apparel.
We have also launched the world's first heated touring suit. Stay tuned for more details on this.
That's a lot of sales to only have one review. I'm always a bit leery of reviews on the manufacturers' website. I like to see several reviews from different places before making a decision. Without the connection to the bike, these aren't as useful for my purposes. The batteries would be great for commuting, but wouldn't be any use on trips after they run down. The Gerbing Hybrid allows either bike connection or battery, but lacks the protection of these. Hmmm...
Since we sell mostly in our local market for now you can register at www.gtamotorcycle.com and either start a thread asking for feedback on our heated motorcycle glove or search Velocity heated gloves, Fired Up heated gloves and you will see a lot of comments from users. But you will have to do the digging. Best if you start a thread and get people who have bought our gloves to respond. We do not pay or pressure our customers to write reviews. Word of mouth really is how we sell these gloves. Just ordered another 100 pairs.
Here is my comparison with the Gerbing glove.
Gerbing is a great company that makes a good product. We have just taken heating gloves to the next level and beyond.
Glove design - Take a look at images online and decide which glove would you want to have on in a crash. Look at the Super Fabric sliders we use on palm, scaphoid and outer pinkie. Look at Knuckle and Finger sliders on the back. The leather we use is Cowhide and is also used in our VR-Pro race gloves.
Heat - Gerbing uses a micro-wire which is a form of resistive wiring. We use Infra Red heat which is heat produced by FIR Light. Resistive wiring is just a higher tech version of a electric stove heating element. It gets hot and heats up the air all around it. Infra Red heats the same way the Sun heats up the Earth with Far Infra Red rays. Our bodies also emit Far Infra Red to keep our body warm. FIR doesn't heat up Air but only what it is in contact with. So it is more efficient as no heat is wasted.
Life Span - Gerbing battery life is 1 hr on high, 2.5 hrs on medium and 4 hours on low with the battery. Fired Up provides 3-4 Hours on High, 5-6 Hours on Medium and 7-8 Hours on low. Extra pair of batteries are $50 CAD.
Price - You can buy the T5 for around $200. The batteries are sold separately at $100 with charger and if you want the single heat controller it is roughly $70. For GTAM members Fired Up heated VR-Pro gloves are $250 including batteries. Additional batteries with charger are $50. So you can get 8 hours of high heat and 16 hours of low heat for $300.
Warranty - Gerbing used to offer a Lifetime warranty which is no longer does. Resistive wires will kink, coil and break requiring constant repairing. Kinking will also create hot spots which have burnt users in the past. Google Gerbing recalls and you will see for yourself. FIR is not capable of burning the user or catching fire. The carbon fibre which emits the far Infra Red light has an average mean life of 80,000 hours.
Best Comparison - In my opinion the best way to compare at the end of the day is to try both of them on and decide for yourself what heat you like better. Resistive wires provide a sharp heat on the skin. Infra Red heat penetrates your skin and heats you from the inside out. That's why Infra Red heat Sauna's are becoming standard, FIR cooking is safer than microwaves, FIR heat in wellness spas, FIR heating lamps are all becoming the standard.
This is my review but I encourage that you all do your own research so you can decide what will work best for you. The FIRed Up heated motorcycle gloves are definitely unique and the most advanced gloves in the world. It is like going from cassette to digital audio. The dexterity on our gloves is phenomenal compared to any other cold weather riding glove in the market.
Our winters gloves are being sold here http://www.costco.ca/Fired-Up-Gants-pour-hommes-chauffant-Infra-Rouge.product.100146640.html
Same technology but designed for a different market.