Wireless Router Advice

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  1. PineyMountainRacing

    PineyMountainRacing Oops....

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    All of my office computers are connected to a DSL line via a switch and Ethernet cable. I'm changing my voice phones over to a different provider to save $ and as a part of that package ill have a 2nd "economy" Internet, I'm keeping the hard wired system and DSL for business. I just thought it would be nice to have a wireless router on the new line (cable) so if I wanted to use my iPad over the lunch hour I could. I also have an app on my Droid that I use dozens of times per day, was thinking if I accessed it thru a wifi it might be quicker than 3G/4G.
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  2. rapidoxidationman

    rapidoxidationman Easily trainable

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    I installed this app on my android. You might find it handy to discover if your wireless would actually be faster than 3G/4G or not.. Before I bumped my DSL speed to 5Mbps, the 4G would easily outpace it.
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  3. Xeraux

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    I have the iMac desktop, Apple TV, BluRay player, XBox, and printer in my home hard wired and like PMR suggested, I just use wireless for the iPad/iPhone/laptop.
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  4. Going_Commando

    Going_Commando Been here awhile

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    My 4g connection is ~35 mb/s. So it is definitely better than dsl. Then again, I have 100mb/s service at home.
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  5. NikonsAndVStroms

    NikonsAndVStroms Beastly Photographer

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    Bump.

    Same situation, need a router for a small business, in a small office but with lots of walls so a powerful one would be best. And it's been almost 5 months which in the tech world means new products are probably out.

    Also I saw airport as suggestions....I had a nightmare with one, it would need rebooted daily which is not acceptable for this place.
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  6. KSJEEPER

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    I like hanging an access point(s) off of a router with the radio turned off.

    The typical wireless router is pretty weak with regards to output, but you can simply use it as a router, and hang as many AP's as you want off that router (radio turned off) and broadcast whichever SSID"s you want. Provide Guest capability if desired, or separate 2.4 and 5ghz SSID's if you want.

    I've been running an Amped Wireless at home, much more power thank the typical little Linksys wifi router. And dual band. Lighting up 5ghz can make a big difference, if you are around other businesses or have other 2.4ghz running in your space.

    My home security network and cameras are all 2.4, and I saw a marked improvement in going dual band.
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  7. janeuner

    janeuner Get Some

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    The E3000 refurbs sold out recently. Too bad.

    I just set up one of these TP-LINK devices as a dedicated access point. I was happy with the feature set and performance. Unless I see a bad sample in the next month or two, it is now my goto recommendation.

    I always preferred the router-as-ap setup because they are cheaper, more flexible, and they easily double as a gigabit switch.

    As always, YMMV.
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  8. NikonsAndVStroms

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    How is the range? This will only need to go for 20 feet but there will be 4-6 walls between it and the furthest terminal.
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  9. janeuner

    janeuner Get Some

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    Installed in the center of the house in the basement. Netflix worked outside the house up to about 15 yards. Fairly certain it would be usable through 4 sheetrock walls. Not sure beyond that.
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  10. NikonsAndVStroms

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    I decided to just say screw it and go on site with an old extended range G router. N has even more range so if it works then a good N will be fine :nod. I just keep looking around and without any data points it's hard to guess this all while basically blind to the wall thickness etc.

    Thanks for your help guys.
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  11. pilot

    pilot Slacker Moderator Super Moderator

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    I'm having a hell of a time getting my network to see my printer. I had a Kodak for four years that quit "talking" to the computers, so I replaced it last weekend. Can't get the new one to work, either. Replaced the router with a new Netgear router, and still fubared. Any suggestions?
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  12. Zapp22

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    I don't see realworld discussion of throughput.
    for instance, I pay for 20Mb/s roadrunner and get that consistently unless its at 7pm when everybody from two cities comes home and jumps on their inhome service.. it will degrade a little. a good wireless "g" router can throughput 54Mbps, so more than double what I can get w/my service. at that speed, I have no issues with streaming media from the outside world.
    I do have "N" routers, but nothing I'm doing except an occasional large file transfer from HTPC/server to notebook or handset requires the added speed of a "n" router.

    for $15 bucks I can buy [when available] the very famous WR54G/GL used. they don't die easily - the power supply occasionally goes, but 12v supplies are fairly common. with DD/WRT that router can serve as AP, repeater, whatever, and the power can be boosted to a level that would cost you $100 in a new device.
    just saying...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series
    I use newegg.com for nerd things, sometimes anyway.
    the reviewers are hard-nosed there, which is one reason to check it.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190
    there are nearly 4,000 reviews of the 54GL and it has a five-star rating STILL, after years of production [they killed it at one point and the black market went parabolic. they brought it back].

    you can spend more money; a lot more.

    e3000 is ok. e1200 was ok at $18 or whatever I paid, but its not comparable power-wise to the 54GL.
    some of the new super-small devices from Edimax are highly rated. from there, I would leap to the $300 range and get a professional grade rig, and a handful of the repeaters for a large area
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  13. NikonsAndVStroms

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    With the G from Verizon real world I topped out in the 30's, with their new one (dual band N) I'm in the 60's wireless and 75 wired.
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    Also antenna placement is key, here's mine when it falls on the floor:

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    And up on top of the monitor:

    [​IMG]
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  15. KSJEEPER

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    Drywall is pretty easy on wifi, doesn't slow it down much, even multiple walls of residential construction.

    Metal ducting, or 'wet' walls i.e. walls with pipes, can kick it in the teeth though.

    If dealing with much physically in the way, repeater can work very nicely. Under $100 for some with nice power, and dual band.
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  16. janeuner

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    Note that both of the previous requests for advice were for office use. In this setting, single-channel throughput is rarely the concern. Instead, the focus tends to be on the number of simultaneous devices. This requires a superior wired connection and more wireless channels. WR54 will always have a 100Mbit wire as a bottleneck, and it now has a comparatively primitive radio. This makes me conclude WR54 is no longer suitable for office use.

    For new office equipment, the short-list of requirements should be:
    • Gigabit Ethernet
    • Simultaneous dual spectrum radio (2.4Ghz and 5Ghz)
    • +2x2 MIMO antenna systems

    Btw, OpenWRT is what initially sold me on the T-Link device. It has low cost hardware that is well understood by community developers. That was also true for the E3000. I expect both devices to enjoy a long life cycle similar to the WR54.
    http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr4300
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  17. rapidoxidationman

    rapidoxidationman Easily trainable

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    I replaced my modem and wireless router a few days ago. Turned my modem into a brick by pushing the reset button on the back of it bc of only 1 of 4 ethernet ports working - my ISP tech support said "we don't support hard resets"... OK, I'll get a GOOD modem and router that isn't tied to a contract...

    Got the Netgear N600 wireless Dual Band Gigabit ADSL2+ modem router from Staples for ~$140. No dead spots in my house, driveway, shop, or lawn.

    One wall wart now instead of 2 plugged into the UPS, 2 USB ports built in with the ability to support a backup hard drive AND a USB printer - print from any laptop, desktop, or smart phone connected to the network :clap. Prioritized one of the ethernet ports to ensure high quality of service to the BR/DVD/Streaming player so Netflix streaming won't suffer when other devices are using bandwidth, changed the DNS server numbers AWAY from the flaky servers at my ISP which really slows down in the evenings to OpenDNS servers and my speed Does Not Slow Down now:clap

    Short of the cat knocking it off the shelf I expect a long and happy life with no need for upgrade anytime soon.
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  19. NikonsAndVStroms

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    Also I forgot to mention that somewhere I have a Lynksys amplifier box for the B version at least, I dunno if it'll work with the G but I could get a signal a some ridiculous distance away, like a couple houses and it was still solid.

    I had my main computer in a separate building from the house and it had a solid 5 bars.
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  20. RISEOFNATIONSFRK

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    Omni-Directional antenna?


    I own a Zonet ZEW2590 receiver (USB) for my PC. I pickup all my neighbors wireless networks (over 30 detected if not more), I find it very reliable and at an awesome cost: ~$30

    Also recommend at-least a 7dbi antenna. The bigger the better.
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