Wisconsin OHM/DS Motorcyclists - Trail and Legislative Issues

Discussion in 'Central – From Da Nort Woods to the Plane States' started by Cannonshot, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. Doctor Zed

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    In like Flynn.
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  2. Claybuster

    Claybuster Been here awhile

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    Done.

    Is there a distinction between off road bicycle and mountain bikes, according to the state? Or are they just covering all the bases?
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  4. Midwesterner

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    In my mind, there is a clear distinction. "Mountain bike" means single-track trail (with all the fun stuff like rocks, roots, and drops) and "off road bicycle" means a nice and smooth paved or crushed limestone path that is closed to motorized vehicles. I do not know if DNR would agree with this description.
  5. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Super Moderator

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    Fat bikes are the big issue now.
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    Claybuster Been here awhile

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    Can you elaborate on this a little?
  7. InRoostWeTrust

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    Cannon is just feeling a little French at the moment, he means fat-tire bikes are the growing rage at the moment - they claim to ride trails in the winter too. Bikes like paved trails or single-track, that's thier difference.

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  8. Cannonshot

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    Tried to reply from on the road. Didn't work out so well.
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  9. Cannonshot

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    DNR poster with the NHAL DS route displayed during a recent meeting in support of DS routes in the NHAL.
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  10. Critic

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    Looks good Bryan, I filled out the forms.
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  11. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Super Moderator

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    Recreational Trails Program funding is important to us here in Wisconsin. Please take a moment to quickly contact your representative as outlined in the link. RTP derives from federal gas tax refunds for fuel motorized recreation uses on trails and not on highways. https://cqrcengage.com/amacycle/app/write-a-letter…
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  12. elron

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  13. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Super Moderator

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    Spent two days in meetings on Friday and Saturday. The first was a VIP event hosted by our friends with the ATV association. WATVA generously includes us in their event since we are all part of the same motorized family with common interest and goals. This was an opportunity to have those "five minute conversations" with some lawmakers and DNR officials that you wouldn't otherwise schedule an office visit for. I was able to touch base with some folks on a variety of issues we are involved with. Many thanks to the ATV folks for sharing this opportunity with us.

    I also gave an update on ORV Council issues and the OHM program to a committee of the Conservation Congress. This was another opportunity to work with WATVA, who also presented, to work together on issues of mutual interest. The Conservation Congress sometimes gets issues and inquiries from people in the counties they represent pertaining to motorized recreation. It is important to keep them apprised of what is going on in our programs, and to discuss any issues presented to them, so that we can work toward the best understanding and outcomes for the motorized programs.

    A couple of good meetings with good folks.

    That said, I would really have rather been riding all weekend at the Golden Eagles event. That is a problem with being an advocate for what you enjoy doing. You don't get to do it as much. :(
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  14. LittleEagle

    LittleEagle On&Off Road since '63

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    Sorry if I missed this info somewhere along the way, Cannon, but maybe others did, too. Is there now, or will there be, some sort of reciprocity with other states for trail stickers? Both as a practical and financial matter, I'd hate to have to buy and display stickers for every state where I might ride trails, just as I wouldn't want a license plate for everywhere I might ride the roads. Even learning all the rules for each state seems pretty daunting for us mortals. Thorough as you are, I feel certain you've discussed all of this, but I can't find the reference. Thanks for any further info and for all you do.
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    This has been looked at for years and no one has come up with a satisfactory way of doing it. The prevailing thought is that trails cost money and they need to be paid for by the people that use them which requires people to buy a state or local sticker where they ride trails. By the way, a trail sticker is one of the lowest expenses for anyone involved in this recreational interest. It amazes me that people are still looking for ways to get around that. People that want to pay less or get out of paying at only reducing the amount of money that can be applied for even more opportunities for them to ride.
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  16. LittleEagle

    LittleEagle On&Off Road since '63

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    Got it.
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    I recently participated in an AMA conference in Ohio for a few days. The AMA has been working on some steps to get closer to members at the grass roots level. They have also undertaken a program (EAGLES) to train an army of volunteers to serve as advocates for riders and to share information about the AMA. Part of the evolution the AMA is going through involves the concept of State Chapters. State Chapters will involve a state-wide network for sharing information and will focus primarily on rights and recreation. For now, we have a State Chapter Coordinator (me) that can serve as a portal with the AMA on rights and recreation matters. Racing matters will continue to be addressed by the Districts which has been working very well.

    State Chapter Coordinators have to complete training and demonstrate their ability to fulfill the responsibilities of the coordinator. So far, two states have coordinators in place with remaining states to be addressed as the program goes forward. Eventually we will have a statewide discussion forum to help support our interests.

    Keep in mind that these changes are not necessarily based on what has or hasn't been happening in Wisconsin. This is something that has been in the making for years and is part of an effort to construct a uniform system to handle some issues that relate more to a state than to a district. Some states have three districts as part of their structure. As part of a national program, these changes are not only necessary but also make good sense.

    As an early step in the development of the State Chapter program, I have an e-mail address as the State Chapter Coordinator that you can use to communicate about AMA rights and recreation issues. Feel free to contact me at any time with your questions, concerns, or opportunities. As noted earlier, racing matters will continue to be addressed by the Districts.

    wisconsincoordinator@ama-cycle.org
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  19. Cannonshot

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    An amendment to the Master Plan for the Northern Highland - American Legion State Forest is going to the Natural Resources Board on October 25th for approval.

    I worked this issue with the DNR to get us some opportunities there. The big win was getting authorization to develop up to two single track motorcycle trails with up to a combined total of 36 miles of single track in the forest as we can develop opportunities in the future. This is good for us because without the authorization in the Master Plan we would have been blocked from pursuing opportunities there for many years.

    As you recall, there is still some opposition to motorized recreation in the area. People will be commenting against this provision. We need to submit comments in support of the amendment to the Natural Resources Board prior to the cut-off at 11 AM on October 20th.

    I will be presenting in person to the NRB on the 25th.

    Here is some info on how to submit written comments.

    When registering to testify or submitting a written comment, please provide the following information to the Board Liaison Laurie.Ross@Wisconsin.gov .

    1. Your name.
    2. Name of organization(s) you represent (if none, state that you are "representing self").
    3. Agenda item number and whether you support or oppose it. 2.B.3 Approval of an amendment to the recreation portion of the NHAL Master Plan. Support provisions for motorized recreation and in particular off-highway motorcycles.
    4. City of residence.
    5. Phone number.
    6. Email or mailing address, so the Board Liaison can confirm your registration to testify or reply to your written comment.
    Pages 14 and 15 address OHM.
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  20. Bultaco206

    Bultaco206 Back-to-back motos suck

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    Saw that email from the DNR come through earlier today. I will submit my support of the amendment. Thanks, Bryan.
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